Truth of resurrection and death of the apostles (for Willowtree)

Whoa, I just checked my message index and clicked this, actually the real messenjaH didn't write any of that, I find it really funny though.
LOL.------------------
-chris

What right does anyone have to speak for another? This happens with permission.
I did not give anyone permission to speak for me or do anything for me.
The present title of this topic gives the impression that I Willowtree have given my consent to Admin A. to speak for me - I have not.
Admin A. has revealed themself to be a smug dishonest administrator abusing her power under the guise of neutral objective moderating.
Admin A. wouldn't tolerate my original master conclusion so she in the disguise of "helping me" renamed my topic. Then this same person steals my topic and reinvents it to suit her own previously held beliefs while adding my name to it as if I am being done a favor.
Then this same person refuses to answer any of my protests or replies. This silence speaks loudly.
My master conclusion was : Because Jesus prior to His death predicted His death and resurrection, that IF true, then this validates everything else He said as true.
Included in everything else He said was the CLAIM of eternal pre-existence, that God created everything through Him.
Until I am allowed to argue this conclusion as SOME evidence for creationism I will not participate. It was over this specific conclusion that Admin A. intruded in with her censor ax and renamed my topic and closed the thread. {which was entitled "Some Evidence for Creationism"}
Admin A. could not best me with merits of argument so she hid behind her title and abused her power, while citing "it was best for the topic". Which reminds me of pre-reformation Bishops and Friars praying for someones soul as they burned them alive at the stake "it was best for their soul"
Admin A. has done this deliberately because she foresaw a creationist with a brain. Admin A. straight out lied by giving the appearance in her topic and threads that I approved of her censorship/changes.
Now she places my name in the topic title she stole from me.
Is there not one atheist in the forum in the name of honesty that will back me up? If not, someday you are next. WILLOWTREE

First off Willow, I started this thread as a poster, not as a moderator. Second, I was not the one to change you topic name. Thirdly, I had asked some questions in the other thread that I wanted answers to, so I started this thread. Your name was put on to let you know that I was looking for answers from you. Fourthly, your arrogant posts with accusation of censorship were answered by MANY people, you are the one who refused to discuss the issue rationally.In no way was I attempting to speak for you, I was speaking for myself.."directed" to you. If you can't respond in a polite way, then I will assume that you have no response.------------------
Asgara
"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

Are you saying someone else has the power to change the title of a topic? You did you are the Admin. no ? Once again your reply is a nonseqiutor. Your use of the word rationally is your way of saying that unless someone argues according to your predetermined parameters, that outside this box is an irrational person. It doesn't matter what you now claim, the point is that you intentionally gave the appearance that I approved of your editorial nonsense AKA censorship. I am rational, I only refuse to have the entire point of my original topic gutted under the guise improvement. You are deliberately confusing rational anger as baseless dissent.
I am through - you can have the last word.

Yes, she is saying someone else has the power to change the title. There are several admins. On that topic, I have yet to see how the title change caused any problems for you putting forward your ideas. Could you, finally, make it clear why, of the two titles, the other was so important?I have seen a lot of rather angry posts of yours but very little substance. If there is something you don't like it would probably work better if you explained just exactly what is wrong and what should have been done differently. So far I'm not impressed. I'm not really all that interested in this topic so I may well have missed something important. Maybe this is a good time for you to summarize your side of the debate.

Ok Willowtree, this new thread was not created to attack you or to put words in your mouth, it was made so questions that were left unanswered form the previous thread could be addressed. It is not an attack on you. I repeat it was NOT an attack.
If you really feel that the title does not fit then I suggest that you either start a new thread and explain what you are thinking. Or ask for the title of this thread to be changed.And please my friend calm down. We are not out to get you. We merely wish for you to explain your ideas.

Hopefully, that garbage is over now. Can we get back to my questions in the first two posts?Are any Xians going to weigh in with their opinion of which "truth" is the true one? Does anyone have any historical and timely references for the deaths of the apostles?------------------
Asgara
"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

Garbage? Did you call? When Xians are debating the resurrection issue, inerrantists like to forget the principle of argumentation that says, "He who asserts must prove." They insist that their opponents have an obligation to prove that the resurrection did NOT happen or at least to offer a better hypothesis for the "data" than their claim that the resurrection literally happened.For the sake of argument, let's just assume that the traditions are true and that the apostles all died horrible deaths as martyrs for what they believed. What would this prove? If martyrdom proves the truth of what a martyr dies for, then practically every religion on earth can lay claim to being the only "true" religion. Martyrdom is as old as religion itself, so the logical axiom that says, "What proves too much proves nothing at all," shows that there is no merit at all to the argument that the martyrdom of the apostles and earlier disciples proves the truth of what they believed.

I have made myself abundantly clear at least 5 or 6 times and you have the audacity to ask what is wrong - you are feigning stupidity.
This is the atheist way of branding someone crazy - just keep saying "what are you talking about". This is done to deflect away from the subject because of the obvious deficencies in your beliefs.
How many times have I said now that I will not participate in the topic to protest the original changing of the title which was "Some evidence for creationism". No, I was talked down to and told that my topic was not about that when if anyone cared to read it my ultimate conclusion evidenced what the title is saying - this is not a matter of opinion. Now you have evoked from me attention to your dishonest post that you do not deserve. I will not participate in this discussion because my conclusion was censored, to go along with what was done is to give approval to what none of you would tolerate yourselves. Now what don't you understand brainy ned ?

Going to close this for a day or so to allow the topic to cool down. It is a little overheated in here.AdminBrian.

Don't mean to go over your head AB, but now that things seem to have calmed down, I'd like this thread opened again.------------------
AdminAsgara
Queen of the Universe

If things have indeed cooled down, I'd be interested to see if Willowtree is willing to follow through on his/her claim in the other thread that there are no contradictions in the resurrection passages.I'm still eager to listen to someone in the know.

Except that the apostles would have been unique in that they were eye witnesses to Jesus resurection and would have known with 100% accuracy that he was risen. Todays martyrs of Islam were not eyewitnesses of Mohamad. That's were the difference lies.

Then why didn't they report it with 100% accuracy? (See above posts)

No probs, I honestly forgot about re-opening this thread, my apologies. Been very busy here.AdminBrian.