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Topic: Here is Another "What If" Scenario:
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Peg
Member (Idle past 4951 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: 11-22-2008
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Message 16 of 36 (508882)
05-17-2009 2:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 15 by Theodoric
05-16-2009 1:32 PM
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no one sees what they dont want to see
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Rahvin
Member Posts: 4039 Joined: 07-01-2005 Member Rating: 8.2
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Message 17 of 36 (508894)
05-17-2009 3:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 16 by Peg
05-17-2009 2:04 AM
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no one sees what they dont want to see That really wasn't an answer. Are you actually going to back up your claim, or are you just trolling? I particularly enjoy your silly notion that "those who have faith" can see the signs. You;re saying that only those who already believe without evidence can see the evidence. If that isn't verification that you're delusional, I don't know what is. So by all means, prove me wrong - show us actual evidence to support your claim. Or do we all have to believe you before you try to convince us in order for your arguments to be convincing? Are you only able to preach to the choir, Peg?
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Peg
Member (Idle past 4951 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: 11-22-2008
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Message 18 of 36 (508905)
05-17-2009 5:43 AM
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Reply to: Message 17 by Rahvin
05-17-2009 3:21 AM
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I wont post a new thread about the arrival of Christ because Theodoric said that he already doubts whatever evidence i might have supplied. my reply was simple, if you dont want to see it, you wont. I'm not going to post it if its not wanted.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 19 of 36 (508930)
05-17-2009 9:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 18 by Peg
05-17-2009 5:43 AM
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I wont post a new thread about the arrival of Christ because Theodoric said that he already doubts whatever evidence i might have supplied.
So your evidence is so weak you know it won't convince anyone but those that already are predisposed to believe it? I go to say Peg this is a pretty lame cop out. You make an astounding claim but refuse to provide any evidence at all.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Rahvin
Member Posts: 4039 Joined: 07-01-2005 Member Rating: 8.2
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Message 20 of 36 (508953)
05-17-2009 1:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by Peg
05-17-2009 5:43 AM
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I wont post a new thread about the arrival of Christ because Theodoric said that he already doubts whatever evidence i might have supplied. my reply was simple, if you dont want to see it, you wont. I'm not going to post it if its not wanted. Then Peg, everything really boils down to a single question: Why should I, or anyone else, believe you? I wouldn't believe my own mother on just her say-so with the kind of wild claims you're throwing around. Why on Earth would I or anyone else believe you? Clearly we do want to see whatever evidence and argument you have to support your assertions, since we've asked for it. This is a debate board. Either support the things you say with evidence and argument, or you're nothing but a troll.
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kbertsche
Member (Idle past 2153 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: 05-10-2007
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Message 21 of 36 (508964)
05-17-2009 4:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 17 by Rahvin
05-17-2009 3:21 AM
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I particularly enjoy your silly notion that "those who have faith" can see the signs. You;re saying that only those who already believe without evidence can see the evidence. If that isn't verification that you're delusional, I don't know what is.
Can you please point out where Peg (or anyone else) has made such claims in this thread? What I infer are claims of the inverse, i.e. those who are not open to spiritual truth (e.g. the existence of God) have deluded themselves such that they cannot see the clear evidence for it.
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Rahvin
Member Posts: 4039 Joined: 07-01-2005 Member Rating: 8.2
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Message 22 of 36 (508967)
05-17-2009 5:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 21 by kbertsche
05-17-2009 4:53 PM
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Can you please point out where Peg (or anyone else) has made such claims in this thread? What I infer are claims of the inverse, i.e. those who are not open to spiritual truth (e.g. the existence of God) have deluded themselves such that they cannot see the clear evidence for it. quote:
the evidence of his rulership is visible to those with faith
Only those who already believe (have faith) can see the evidence. Are you incapable of reading comprehension?
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17825 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.2
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Message 23 of 36 (508969)
05-17-2009 5:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 17 by Rahvin
05-17-2009 3:21 AM
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I think I know what Peg means. She's referring to the seventy seeks of Daniel. And if you don' assume that the dates are meant to fit with Jesus you'll notice that Daniel consistently talks about the events of the Maccabean revolt. That the events supposed to occur final week fit with that period far better than they do with Jesus' time. You'll notice that the choice of start date is dictated not by solid evidence but by the wish to fit it to Jesus. In short if you don't want to believe in the doctrines of Peg's church you won't twist the Bible to make it "fit" those doctrines.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 24 of 36 (508970)
05-17-2009 5:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 21 by kbertsche
05-17-2009 4:53 PM
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Peg writes: no one sees what they dont want to see Message 16 Fairly obvious that she is making the claim.
kbertsche writes: Can you please point out where Peg (or anyone else) has made such claims in this thread? What I infer are claims of the inverse, i.e. those who are not open to spiritual truth (e.g. the existence of God) have deluded themselves such that they cannot see the clear evidence for it.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Rahvin
Member Posts: 4039 Joined: 07-01-2005 Member Rating: 8.2
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Message 25 of 36 (508971)
05-17-2009 5:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 23 by PaulK
05-17-2009 5:14 PM
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In short if you don't want to believe in the doctrines of Peg's church you won't twist the Bible to make it "fit" those doctrines. Exactly. Circular reasoning - in order for the "evidence" to support her conclusion, you have to believe her conclusion beforehand.
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kbertsche
Member (Idle past 2153 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: 05-10-2007
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Message 26 of 36 (508974)
05-17-2009 6:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 22 by Rahvin
05-17-2009 5:12 PM
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Only those who already believe (have faith) can see the evidence.
OK, I finally found this quote back in Message 13. It was not in the message that you had replied to ( Message 18), and I had apparently overlooked it.
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Are you incapable of reading comprehension?
Why such a rude response? I asked you nicely where this claim was. (Which you did NOT answer, BTW. A simple "see message #13" would have sufficed.)
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kbertsche
Member (Idle past 2153 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: 05-10-2007
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Message 27 of 36 (508975)
05-17-2009 7:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 24 by Theodoric
05-17-2009 5:21 PM
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Fairly obvious that she is making the claim.
Not obvious at all. I inferred the inverse, as I explained.
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Peg
Member (Idle past 4951 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: 11-22-2008
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Message 28 of 36 (509023)
05-18-2009 5:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 20 by Rahvin
05-17-2009 1:46 PM
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i dont expect you or anyone else to believe me...the bible is where the answers can be found and if one chooses to believe it they can. but if anyone wants to hear it, they can email me and i'll be happy to respond Edited by Peg, : No reason given.
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Peg
Member (Idle past 4951 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: 11-22-2008
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Message 29 of 36 (509024)
05-18-2009 5:26 AM
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Reply to: Message 25 by Rahvin
05-17-2009 5:22 PM
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Rahvin writes: Exactly. Circular reasoning - in order for the "evidence" to support her conclusion, you have to believe her conclusion beforehand. Theodoric said that he would not believe the 'evidence' anyway so whats the difference? thats why I said 'no one sees what they dont want to see' IOW it would make no difference if the evidence was rock solid...posting it is pointless
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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2317 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: 09-02-2008
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Message 30 of 36 (509026)
05-18-2009 5:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 29 by Peg
05-18-2009 5:26 AM
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Peg writes: Theodoric said that he would not believe the 'evidence' anyway so whats the difference?
No he didn't. He said he expected your evidence to be weak, not that he wouldn't believe it if it is indeed as rock solid as you claim.
IOW it would make no difference if the evidence was rock solid...posting it is pointless.
If it really is as rock solid as you claim, I think it will. And even if it may not convince Theo, maybe it will convince others, yes? Edited by Huntard, : Spellings
I hunt for the truth
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