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Author Topic:   What's Best Reconciliation of Gen 1 and 2 You've Heard?
arachnophilia
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Message 256 of 307 (317443)
06-04-2006 1:44 AM
Reply to: Message 238 by simple
06-03-2006 9:53 PM


Well, he said I was the only one, any other commentary with the same opinion will do here.
you are the only one here. the "commentary" you provided can be shown to inaccurate with textual evidence to the contrary. textual evidence you just go right on ignoring.
there is an old saying in jewish interpretation. no drash can contradict the pshat. in other words, all interpretation, explanation, and application is based on the literal text, and cannot be used to say the torah does not actually mean what it says.
apologists try to explain away contradictions -- but to do so requires changing, re-arranging, or often completely ignoring the literal meaning of the text itself. you are requiring that genesis 2 not only be told completely out of order, but that the very content of the story and the verses themselves (that explain the order and cause-effect relationships) be wildly inaccurate.


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arachnophilia
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Message 257 of 307 (317444)
06-04-2006 1:48 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by lfen
06-04-2006 1:39 AM


That is simple aka whisper that you are arguing with!
is it really simple? i guess it is.
did his post count just jump by about 1600 today? ie: did they just merge the accounts? i could swear he wasn't actually simple yesterday -- though i suspected very strongly that he was.
especially with that "plants formed in orbit" deal.
Remember he is the guy who claims there were entirely different laws of physics in the universe prior to God changing them to what we know now.
yes, i remember. he annoyed me then too. no logic. no reason. no evidence. he just changes the bible to mean whatever he wants.


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arachnophilia
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Message 258 of 307 (317445)
06-04-2006 1:51 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by Jon
06-03-2006 10:11 PM


His reason was because Eve was going to have children. Clearly he could not give her a name in Gen 2 for a reason that didn't exist. She first needed to become pregnant (post-Fall) and then he named her. I'm beginning to think there isn't a single chapter that you don't misread.
simple doesn't believe in cause-effect relationships pre-fall. therefor, there is no reason for anything to make sense at all in genesis 1-3. inconsistencies aren't a problem because the rules are different in merged reality.


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lfen
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Message 259 of 307 (317446)
06-04-2006 1:54 AM
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06-04-2006 1:48 AM


he just changes the bible to mean whatever he wants.
YES! He is the poster child of Trolls.
They must have merged accounts. I was tipped earlier to hover the pointer over a name to see the alias. I thought he was still banned and had snuck back in but I guess they are giving him a little more rope.
lfen

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arachnophilia
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Message 260 of 307 (317448)
06-04-2006 1:55 AM
Reply to: Message 243 by lfen
06-03-2006 10:15 PM


Re: HEADS UP a simple siting or a clone of simple
Just a heads ups. This is as tedious a repetitious troll as I've ever encountered.
same misunderstanding of the text, refusal to read the actual words on the page, no concept of logic, or cause and effect, and repeating of the same tired and obviously wrong points. the flippant attitude towards the text, and one-liners are a give-away.
quote:
Mat 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
maybe we should just ignore him. it's just cluttering up the thread here arguing the same point ad nauseum trying to get him to understand the text on a basic reading-comprehension level.


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arachnophilia
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Message 261 of 307 (317449)
06-04-2006 2:00 AM
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06-04-2006 1:54 AM


They must have merged accounts. I was tipped earlier to hover the pointer over a name to see the alias. I thought he was still banned and had snuck back in but I guess they are giving him a little more rope.
i could swear i checked to see if he was a simple alias a day or two ago, and that he wasn't at the time. he is now, though. apparently jar tracked him down, and merged the accounts.
it's simple again.
YES! He is the poster child of Trolls.
not exactly. he tries to debate -- he just doesn't seem to understand, well, anything. i don't think he's being obnoxious on purpose, otherwise he'd get banned pretty quickly. i mean, he doesn't create 100 copies of the same thread, actively flame people repeatedly, or continually post content-less garbage. just the same, well, simple one-liners, arguments, and attemps at refutation without the slightest shred of evidence.


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lfen
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Message 262 of 307 (317450)
06-04-2006 2:04 AM
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06-04-2006 1:55 AM


Re: HEADS UP a simple siting or a clone of simple
maybe we should just ignore him.
The one thing a troll knows is where the food is. As long as they are getting fed they hang around. That's one reason he changes alias, that and to get around suspensions.
He slips into a thread and starts out as a typical newly arrived YEC and after suckering some responses then the same old stuff creeps in. He can't suppress his style for long but he manages for a brief spell to fool people.
lfen

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arachnophilia
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Message 263 of 307 (317452)
06-04-2006 2:09 AM
Reply to: Message 262 by lfen
06-04-2006 2:04 AM


Re: HEADS UP a simple siting or a clone of simple
hm, yeah, but what to do?

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Message 264 of 307 (317453)
06-04-2006 2:12 AM
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06-04-2006 1:55 AM


Re: HEADS UP a simple siting or a clone of simple
maybe we should just ignore him.
Well said! There are still 36 more posts left here for valid people who have valid arguements; let's save the space for them .
Trék
Edited by Invictus, : horrible mess with copy-paste

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lfen
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Message 265 of 307 (317455)
06-04-2006 2:15 AM
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06-04-2006 2:09 AM


Re: HEADS UP a simple siting or a clone of simple
Don't do anything. It's pointless to talk to him. Within a few days in one thread or another he will get completely out of control again, and be suspended again mostly likely for repetitious use of last thursdayism and refusal to offer any evidence when asked, or some variant thereof.
lfen

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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 266 of 307 (317494)
06-04-2006 4:43 AM


I find to discusss any religion in this factual framework is quite meaningless. It has been and will remain a fruitless path. Facts and meaning are two different animals. Religion is about meaning. Meaning will forever remain open to interpretation. Only the fool focuses on the facts. It is the meaning of things that matters.

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Message 267 of 307 (317528)
06-04-2006 8:04 AM
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06-04-2006 4:43 AM


Only the fool focuses on the facts. It is the meaning of things that matters.
That seems like an absurd statement. Facts are meaningful too.

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arachnophilia
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Message 268 of 307 (317529)
06-04-2006 8:05 AM
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06-04-2006 4:43 AM


I find to discusss any religion in this factual framework is quite meaningless.
we're having enough problems getting a certain someone to agree to the facts of what is and what is not on the page.


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2ice_baked_taters
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Message 269 of 307 (317702)
06-04-2006 6:39 PM
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06-04-2006 8:04 AM


That seems like an absurd statement. Facts are meaningful too.
Within the context of what the Bible and other religious texts represent( I will assume that you understand that they are a spiritual guide to the many nuances of getting along with one another in every day life), could you please elaborate on your belief that facts have meaning and perhaps give an example or two.
Edited by 2ice_baked_taters, : No reason given.

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Message 270 of 307 (317706)
06-04-2006 6:48 PM
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06-04-2006 6:39 PM


..., could you please elaborate on your belief that facts have meaning and perhaps give an example or two.
I don't recall ever coming across a fact that did not have meaning.
I guess I don't know what you are talking about.

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