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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Well, he said I was the only one, any other commentary with the same opinion will do here. you are the only one here. the "commentary" you provided can be shown to inaccurate with textual evidence to the contrary. textual evidence you just go right on ignoring. there is an old saying in jewish interpretation. no drash can contradict the pshat. in other words, all interpretation, explanation, and application is based on the literal text, and cannot be used to say the torah does not actually mean what it says. apologists try to explain away contradictions -- but to do so requires changing, re-arranging, or often completely ignoring the literal meaning of the text itself. you are requiring that genesis 2 not only be told completely out of order, but that the very content of the story and the verses themselves (that explain the order and cause-effect relationships) be wildly inaccurate.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
That is simple aka whisper that you are arguing with! is it really simple? i guess it is. did his post count just jump by about 1600 today? ie: did they just merge the accounts? i could swear he wasn't actually simple yesterday -- though i suspected very strongly that he was. especially with that "plants formed in orbit" deal.
Remember he is the guy who claims there were entirely different laws of physics in the universe prior to God changing them to what we know now. yes, i remember. he annoyed me then too. no logic. no reason. no evidence. he just changes the bible to mean whatever he wants.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
His reason was because Eve was going to have children. Clearly he could not give her a name in Gen 2 for a reason that didn't exist. She first needed to become pregnant (post-Fall) and then he named her. I'm beginning to think there isn't a single chapter that you don't misread. simple doesn't believe in cause-effect relationships pre-fall. therefor, there is no reason for anything to make sense at all in genesis 1-3. inconsistencies aren't a problem because the rules are different in merged reality.
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lfen Member (Idle past 4678 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
he just changes the bible to mean whatever he wants. YES! He is the poster child of Trolls. They must have merged accounts. I was tipped earlier to hover the pointer over a name to see the alias. I thought he was still banned and had snuck back in but I guess they are giving him a little more rope. lfen
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Just a heads ups. This is as tedious a repetitious troll as I've ever encountered. same misunderstanding of the text, refusal to read the actual words on the page, no concept of logic, or cause and effect, and repeating of the same tired and obviously wrong points. the flippant attitude towards the text, and one-liners are a give-away.
quote: maybe we should just ignore him. it's just cluttering up the thread here arguing the same point ad nauseum trying to get him to understand the text on a basic reading-comprehension level.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
They must have merged accounts. I was tipped earlier to hover the pointer over a name to see the alias. I thought he was still banned and had snuck back in but I guess they are giving him a little more rope. i could swear i checked to see if he was a simple alias a day or two ago, and that he wasn't at the time. he is now, though. apparently jar tracked him down, and merged the accounts. it's simple again.
YES! He is the poster child of Trolls. not exactly. he tries to debate -- he just doesn't seem to understand, well, anything. i don't think he's being obnoxious on purpose, otherwise he'd get banned pretty quickly. i mean, he doesn't create 100 copies of the same thread, actively flame people repeatedly, or continually post content-less garbage. just the same, well, simple one-liners, arguments, and attemps at refutation without the slightest shred of evidence.
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lfen Member (Idle past 4678 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
maybe we should just ignore him. The one thing a troll knows is where the food is. As long as they are getting fed they hang around. That's one reason he changes alias, that and to get around suspensions. He slips into a thread and starts out as a typical newly arrived YEC and after suckering some responses then the same old stuff creeps in. He can't suppress his style for long but he manages for a brief spell to fool people. lfen
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
hm, yeah, but what to do?
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Jon Inactive Member |
maybe we should just ignore him. Well said! There are still 36 more posts left here for valid people who have valid arguements; let's save the space for them . Trék Edited by Invictus, : horrible mess with copy-paste
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lfen Member (Idle past 4678 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: |
Don't do anything. It's pointless to talk to him. Within a few days in one thread or another he will get completely out of control again, and be suspended again mostly likely for repetitious use of last thursdayism and refusal to offer any evidence when asked, or some variant thereof.
lfen
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2ice_baked_taters Member (Idle past 5851 days) Posts: 566 From: Boulder Junction WI. Joined: |
I find to discusss any religion in this factual framework is quite meaningless. It has been and will remain a fruitless path. Facts and meaning are two different animals. Religion is about meaning. Meaning will forever remain open to interpretation. Only the fool focuses on the facts. It is the meaning of things that matters.
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Only the fool focuses on the facts. It is the meaning of things that matters.
That seems like an absurd statement. Facts are meaningful too.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
I find to discusss any religion in this factual framework is quite meaningless. we're having enough problems getting a certain someone to agree to the facts of what is and what is not on the page.
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2ice_baked_taters Member (Idle past 5851 days) Posts: 566 From: Boulder Junction WI. Joined: |
That seems like an absurd statement. Facts are meaningful too. Within the context of what the Bible and other religious texts represent( I will assume that you understand that they are a spiritual guide to the many nuances of getting along with one another in every day life), could you please elaborate on your belief that facts have meaning and perhaps give an example or two. Edited by 2ice_baked_taters, : No reason given.
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
..., could you please elaborate on your belief that facts have meaning and perhaps give an example or two.
I don't recall ever coming across a fact that did not have meaning. I guess I don't know what you are talking about.
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