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OK, let's say you can make any program you wan't but your nature is lazy. So you don't feel like it. You don't make programs. You still can do anything on the computer, you just can't because it is against your nature to spend a week, month or even year typing up lines and lines of code.
So, are you saying that God is lazy, and that's why he doesn't save the innocent infants when he could?
What is loving and just about that?
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God can do anything he wants.
So why does he let the innocent infants suffer and die?
Does he want them to suffer and die?
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God made us perfect. He gave us the abilitiy to chose between right and wrong. God said, as long as we don't do just one little thing, everythin will be fine. No problems. We disobeyed God though. We turned against him. So it is our fault.
Are you referring to Adam and Eve eating from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil?
How could they know right from wrong
before they ate of the tree that would give them the knowledge of good and evil?
Anyway, how could a just and loving god allow little innocent infants to suffer and die?
A vengeful, spiteful God, yes, but not a loving, just God.
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You can easily move a feather but what if you don't believe you can move that feather by just taking you handing and pushing it. Then it becomes hard, because since you don't believe it, you don't do it.
Right.
So why aren't you believing in Zeus right now?
IT IS SO EASY!
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God gave you freewill. God wan'ts you to choose to love him of your own will, not be forced to.
Did god make me as I am or not? Does he control everything in the universe or not?
How can he, if I have free will? How can He be all-powerful if I can chooses to do something he doesn't want? If he is all-powerful, then free will is an illusion.
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Jesus died for everyone. But if you don't wan't his substitute punisment you won't recieve it.
So then he
didn't die for everyone.
He died only for believers.
Gosh, you sure do contradict yourself a lot.
God sounds emotionally needy, too.
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Right.
Maybe you misunderstood.
Saying that someone is "emotionally needy" is not a compliment.
It is usually a sign that a person has a low self-esteem and needs constant validation from others because they have no inner feelings of self-worth.
How does a parent encorage a loving relationship with their child?
1) Telling the child often that they love them.
2) Showing the child, through their actions, that they care about them and are concerned with their well-being (feeding them, making sure they are warm and safe, teaching them, listening to them, etc.)
3) Making sure the rules of conduct are very clearly laid out, are age-appropriate and fully understood, and the discipline fits the offense, and is consistently applied, never in anger. The child should always completely understand why they are being disciplined.
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Exactly what god does.
Is that a fact?
Let's go through the list, shall we?
1) I have never heard God tell me he loves me. I have never, in fact, ever seen or experienced anything that I took to be God-like, even when I was a believer.
2) God has let millions of people, including infants and children starve, suffer, and die needless deaths, for millenia. Billions have prayed to God to help them, but God didn't do anything to help them. He didn't listen.
3) God's rules of conduct are muddy and unclear. There are tens of thousands of Christian denominations in the US alone, and each of them interpret the rules of behavior and belief differently. That's not counting the thousands of other world religons that are currently practiced or have been in the past. He seems to punish some people who have not disobeyed anyone and bless some people who have murdered or swindled thousands. He is inconsistent.
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But what if the child keeps ignoring the parent and saying get the hell away from me. In the old days, I heard that if you disrespected your parents they beat the crap out of you.
Are you saying that only disobedient people are punished by God, and obedient followers are only blessed?
Why, this isn't what we see in reality at all, is it?
How do I tell the difference between God's actions and magic?
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Because the unvierse runs logically nested within the power of god and running off of it.
How is that different from magic?
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If there was magic it would interrupt the laws of physics,
Why is that neccessarily so?
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this is not so with god, since the laws of physics and the universe are nested within the presence of God himself.
How so?
No, actually, we aren't programed to think very logically.
We are programed to think pragmatically and to make quick, practical judgements about if something is dangerous, or if it is likely to be food, etc.
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OK, but that doesn't mess up my point. God made us in the way you suggested. That is more correct, yes.
Of course it messes up your point!
You said that the universse is logical and that humans were created to be logical, and that this is evidence that we were created by God.
We are NOT logical creatures, so this contradicts your point.
In fact?
Which facts can you show me that are evidence that God did that?
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If God made the laws of physics then how can you find evidence in matter to prove that God made everything.
I don't know. You tell me.
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And, even inspite of this, there is a tremendous load of evidence. I thauhgt you saw some but just didn't believe it. I guess you didn't see any. lol.
Right, I didn't see any.
That's why I asked you to provide some of theis "tremendous load" of evidence.
Please do.
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The bible talks about extreme religious confusion in the end times and evidence against God. All you have to do is prey to God and ask him to help you believe without and open mind and not with a "OH YEA, PROOVE IT" attitude and he will.
I tried that.
It didn't work.
Also, can you please do the same for Zeus?
IT IS SO EASY!
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He isn't gona come out of nowehere take you hand and say, "YOUR DOIN THIS NOW!!!!! BECAUSE I AM GOD ALMIGHTY AND POWERFULL AND YOUR A LITTLE DIRT!!!"
Why not?
Can't god do anything? Does he want me to go to Hell for using my mind that He made for me in the way He knew I would use it? Or, is he not really all-powerful and he cannot do these things, even though he knows (because he made me) that this is what I would require for belief?
This message has been edited by schrafinator, 01-09-2005 10:51 AM
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