Origin of Gods word

You conclude orderly from a 7 day week? So I may conclude the opposite since the number of days and the months don't fit into a year?The months period (either of them) aren't an even number of days long.Our calender has been shoved and tweeked to work ok with the day,year and month (lunar cycle) that we have. Though we have chosen to ignore the moon now since it was only a comparitively minor matter even before today.The seven days is clearly from a combination of numerology (and the Bible didn't originate that, I don't think) and the about 28 day lunar cycle (it is NOT by the way 28 days). There is nothing special about it.The only order that we have is the fortuitous evenness of solar output, day and year behavior. However, that is only just even enough for now. If it wasn't we wouldn't be here would we?I think that something else would be though.

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Not sure I understand what you are trying to say but I take it that you don't accept Genesis as an accurate description of the universe. Yes? Most Christians don't, or won't if they actually read and understand it.

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Yes I believe in Genesis

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In using common sense if the Israelites were no longer in Egypt there must have been an exodus right?This message has been edited by CHRIS PORTEUS jr, 10-02-2004 04:04 PM

China's creation myth is very similiar yet they were geographically isolated.

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the humor of these things have obviously been lost, but they're good a show that they borrow and re-write legends.

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I disagree, you're viewing the evidence of similiar creation myths as borrowed and copied. I'm viewing the evidence saying that may be how it all happened and it was passed down through the peoples, being common knowledge for even people of different cultures.

Sure if there were israelites in Egypt and there aren't any now then they must have left at some time/s. But the text is still not presenting The Exodus (ie: the biblical story) as fact. It is simply telling you what the Torah says. The text is making no claims towards the truth of the biblical myth.

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*not an actual doctor

I am doubting that China was isolated to the extent that they didn't know what was going on in the rest of the world. Do you have any evidences/arguments to support your assertion? If you are serious about this, then I am pretty sure you don't understand the first chapters of Genesis, and doubly sure that you haven't read or do not understand the other creation myths to which you so casually allude.Do you actually believe that the sun, moon and stars are ensconced in a big, invisible, dome which rolls around in an orbit of earth? Do you actually believe that the sky is blue becuase we are looking up at an infinitely deep body of water? Do you actually believe that the first man was made out of clay and that the first woman was produced by cloning?Seriously now.db

the chinese creation myth is similar only in the respect that they have one.it does share a few generalities with the hebrew/babylonian myth (earth seperate from heavens, a pre-existince mass, etc) but no specifics.what i'm saying is that the hebrew (gen 1) and babylonian traditions share specifics: divisions of seven, and all lining up in the same order, and the seventh being rather uneventful.and it's not because it really happened that way. yet the hebrew and babylonian mythos don't compare to say, norse, or native american mythos. why is that? is everyone else just wrong?and lets examine this myth more closely. it should tell us things we can look for, if we read it literally.the first day describes that everything is water, formless, void, and chaotic. god hovers over this water, and creates light. is the entire universe water?the second day describes god seperating the waters with an exanse called the sky. that means that there is water below our feet, and above our heads. outside our atmosphere should be water. does nasa report anything like this?on day three, land and plants are created. yet there is no sun. and this clearly contradicts genesis 2:5 which tells us that man was made before plants.on day four, god creates the sun and moon to "separate night from day" yet we've been counting by nights and days all along. how is that?on day five, god creates fish and birds -- and sea serpents, don't forget those. later, on day six, before man, god creates all the animals, which again contradicts genesis 2.so tell me, how literally do you believe this story? do you believe this one, or the other one, gen 2? if it's such common knowledge, why are there two completely separate creation stories in the bible?This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 10-03-2004 03:56 AM

i don't despise it. i actually quite enjoy it. like you said, it's a good window on the past.but i wouldn't really call it evolutionary in anyway. it's remained more or less unchanged for at least a thousand years, probably more.but it was an attempt to explain the natural world, so yes i suppose we could call it the roots of science in some regard. you make good points.

But when it comes to epic events, they need more evidence than just writing.They need artifacts.The writings might give them clues where to look, and details, but physical evidence is needed to confirm things like wars, and migrationsOr, it could be writings from another culture which alledgely shared the experiance.. such as confirming docuemetns in Egyptian history for the exodus (there are none)

When trying to find out the truth of a story, you don't refer to the story.. that is known as 'circular reasoning'.

However, Genesis bares remarkable similarity to the Ugartic stories.. wheer even the names of the El, and the sons of El are reflected as being several names of God in the Torah.

YOu do realise that the 'seven day week' is just a convinence that man has? That has nothign to do with science.

Do you have any evidence that

1. there were Hebrews in Egypt before whatever date is assigned to the Exodus.
2. that there we no Hebrews in Egypt after whatever date is assigned to the Exodus.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

It's certainly not what we call 'evolution' today but as a step in the development of natural philosophy it represents a reasoning from simplicity to complexity, and from inorganic to organic. I'm sure you can appreciate the importance of that. It isn't perfect logic, perhaps, because the sun follows plant life; but then one gray day wouldn't hurt them.Day seven presents a critical element in the development of civilization: the all important calendar and even more importantly, to the masses of working class humanity, ... What could be more important than that!? Yes we could, and we wouldn't be the first to do so. db

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Originally posted by doctrbill

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The Weekend. What could be more important than that!?

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Yes. I have often found myself thinking how much nicer things might be if God had created everything in 3 days and then rested for 4.Amlodhi