Origin of Gods word

yes, why i included "basically" in front of "nothing"a few start with other rather simplistic things. the chinese starts with an egg. some don't start at all, like the hindu myths. some start from previous existance, like the norse myths. but ALOT start from water, next to nothing.these, not coincidentally, tend to be desert cultures.

That is certainly true for the Eden story, where the LORD brings irrigation to a land short on rain.The first account is the exact opposite. As in the Egyptian version, there is nothing but water and a dry place is created in the midst of it.This was the first thing I noticed when I compared these chapters in order to confirm or deny that they are different. That was thirty years ago and I'm still learning new things about these two very different stories.db

Right, but who would give a damn? Why on Earth would anyone find the phases of the moon significant enough to model? But the development of the calendar predates sea travel.

Arachnophilia Well not quite nothing as the rest of the verse implies. The Earth was without form and void yet there were waters present.This is something,not nothing,I will wager.

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The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

yes, nothing but water. is this more or less complex than the current situation?

again, good points.what i was trying to say is that water bears an integral part in creation myths in deserts. but your analysis is much better.

The Bible talks of Spirit as water..

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John 4:10= Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water."

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It talks of Spirit as air..

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John 3:8=The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

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It talks of the Spirit as fire...

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Ex 40:38=So the cloud of the LORD was over the tabernacle by day, and fire was in the cloud by night, in the sight of all the house of Israel during all their travels. and... 1 Cor 3:13=It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work.

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Its funny how people scoff when Genesis says that man was made from the dust of the ground.
If the Spirit, which is life, is manifest in air, water, and fire, how hard is it to see that when matter became alive, earth was the source of the body and God was the source of the Spirit?

For sailors, it's a matter of safety, of getting home again in one piece. "When will the tide be with us?" Are you sure?We don't really know when the first lunar calendar was created but we can be sure that predicting the tide is more important than predicting PMS. (well, maybe)The age of Mungo Man (AKA 'LM3'), the oldest human skeleton to be discovered in Australia, suggests that humans have been seafaring for 50,000 years or more.

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LM3 provides a minimum age for the earliest evidence of human capacity to make significant beyond-the-horizon sea and ocean voyages.

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http://arts.anu.edu.au/...rces/papers/courses/2004mungo3.pdfExcerpted from: Implications (third item from the bottom in the left frame)db

Wasn't God the source of the earth as well? And if so, then what are you trying to say?BTW: Spirit (spiritus) is Latin for Wind or Air, and is used in metaphor to describe things intangeable, such as intellect and emotion. Check it out in a Latin/English dictionary.In Hebrew, the expression: "Spirit of the LORD," is indistinguishable from: "Wind of the LORD." And "Wind of the LORD," is used in metaphor to describe an invading army! (Hosea 13:15,16)db

You seem pretty sure that it was a man who invented the calendar. Do you think that maybe women might have a vested interest in predicting when a load of blood was going to issue from their bodies?Predicting the tide or the phase of the moon in a non-seafaring civilization is somehow more important than predicting when your women are going to have difficulty hunting for food or are going to be the target of predation? I'm surprised that you don't recognize the significance of mensturation to a hunter-gathering people.

FYI:Menstruation is not controlled by the moon.You cannot accurately predict the onset of menstruaton.Women are not incapacitated by menstruation.Hungry Lions don't care what time of the month it is.The most direct, dramatic, and eternal phenomenon in our relationship with the moon is the Tide.Even today, with well published tide tables, sailors, ships and beachcomers are lost, for failing to note the tide.Predicting tides is a matter of life and death.db

I disagree. My wife does it with considerable faculty. How, otherwise, would women know if their periods are late or not? In a world of tampons and sanitary pads, no, they're not. You don't think the release of blood would have repercussions for predators that hunt by smell? I'm going to presume, by your username, that I'm having this conversation with one who does not mensturate. Not that I do, either. That hardly has any relevance for the origin of calendars in non-seafaring cultures. What is the relevance of tides to a mountain peoples, for instance?Mensturation is the only 28-day cycle common to all humans, not just some.

I understand that some women are pretty good at guessing when menses will commence but to estimate "with considerable faculty" is not quite the same as to "predict accurately." Can your wife, for instance, predict the very hour her period will begin five years from now? I seriously doubt it. On the other hand, sailors can know, many years in advance, when the tide will turn. That is the ultimate beauty of predicting the movements of the moon. They know by counting the days, of course, and they can mark these days on the solar calendar. A little blood running down ones leg may be annoying and inconvenient, but certainly not 'incapacitating.' You mean like Sharks?
I think flies would be the biggest problem but then flies are always a problem, blood or no.
Predators know that there is blood in us. They don't have to actually smell it in order to find us attractive. Do you know of such a culture which independantly created a calendar of their own? While I believe the lunar calendar originated from a sailor's need to predict the tide, I believe it then evolved into something more useful to people everywhere. Only about half of all humans, I'd guess. Besides: The lunar cycle is not a 28 day cycle, AND menstruation is not in sync with the lunar cycle. We call in Monthly because it is approximately so. And, as I understand it, the 28 days is an estimate.

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Though the length and regularity of a menstrual cycle may differ, the average duration of a complete menstrual cycle is 28 days (though healthy cycles can run from 21-36 days). Pre & Post Ovulation in Your Menstrual Cycle - Understanding Fertility

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This cycle is not something upon which one can base an accurate calendar, and while Mesopotamian women surely found the lunar calendar helpful in tracking their periods, Egyptian women did the same with equal facility using the solar calendar. All one really need do is count the days. No need for anything more sophisticated than that.db

However, dividing the moon phases into four parts is completely arbitrary.. (and, not that accurate).It wasn't so much as science as some minor observations, and some arbitrary choices based on those observations.

They can do that now, yes.But we're talking about the time before writing, before numbers, before mathematics of any kind. What we're talking about is people making notches on sticks.You've got the timeframe way wrong. I don't believe that most women would agree that their flow constitutes "a little blood." Apparently you've got all your ideas about menstrual flow from tampon ads. Hint - it's not a clear blue liquid. If you can't offer a substantial rebuttal, please offer none at all. The Azteks kept some pretty accurate calendars. Do you believe they did so for the benefit of non-existent Aztek sailors? Are we arguing about two differnent things? It appears so. You're hung up on the development of accurate, predictive calendars. I'm talking about the invention of keeping track of time. Yes, DB. That's the point. Menstruation was the stimulation for humans to begin counting days. Hence, the invention of calendars.