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doctrbill
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Message 136 of 200 (146995)
10-03-2004 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by ramoss
10-03-2004 10:39 AM


ramoss writes:
YOu do realise that the 'seven day week' is just a convinence that man has? That has nothign to do with science.
Hi Ramoss. Please pardon me for interjecting here. I understand where you are coming from but Almeyda may have a point; although I suspect a fuller knowledge of the facts may be disturbing to him, or her.
I believe development of the calendar (and thus, the length of the week), had everything to do with science. Lunar observations, i.e. the 'science' of the moon-god, was vital to establishment of the ancient calendar. Our friend Almeyda is probably unaware of it but the seventh day was determined according to cycles of the moon. That's how the sacred calendar works to this very day. Discussion
Yes, it's Old but based upon scientific observation of the moon. I think Almeyda will find that the "science" to which he, or she, is referring, is not what he, or she, expected. I think leading him, or her, to this fundamental knowledge may be more productive than simply denying any scientific basis for it.
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doctrbill
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Message 137 of 200 (146996)
10-03-2004 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Amlodhi
10-03-2004 1:20 PM


Amlodhi writes:
I have often found myself thinking how much nicer things might be if God had created everything in 3 days and then rested for 4.
Now there's a God after my own heart.
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crashfrog
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Message 138 of 200 (146997)
10-03-2004 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by doctrbill
10-03-2004 1:54 PM


Lunar observations, i.e. the 'science' of the moon-god, was vital to establishment of the ancient calendar.
Do you think they would have noticed or found it significant, though, if they hadn't also noticed that the women were bleeding every 28 days as well?
I don't think you can discount menstruation in the development of the calendar.
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doctrbill
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Message 139 of 200 (147001)
10-03-2004 2:22 PM
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10-03-2004 2:01 PM


crashfrog writes:
I don't think you can discount menstruation in the development of the calendar.
Discount in comparison to what? Menstruation may coincide with moon phase in some cases, and the length of the cycle may be in the same ballpark, but as you may have already observed, or will soon enough in your experience with women: you can't accurately predict when her period will commence. But you can predict, with great accuracy and far into the future, phases of the moon.
I believe the single most important effect of the moon, and the consequent impetus for predicting moon phase, is its connection to changes in sea level and the importance of those changes in relation to the business of travel and transport by sea. This is vitally important today and was even more important before the development of engine-powered craft.
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Phat
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Message 140 of 200 (147016)
10-03-2004 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by doctrbill
10-02-2004 7:22 PM


Tit for Tat
doctrbill writes:
Do you actually believe that the sun, moon and stars are ensconced in a big, invisible, dome which rolls around in an orbit of earth? Do you actually believe that the sky is blue becuase we are looking up at an infinitely deep body of water? Do you actually believe that the first man was made out of clay and that the first woman was produced by cloning?
Madness,eh? Well Do you actually believe:
  • "Evidence suggests that our universe began as an incredibly hot and dense region referred to as a singularity." Stephen T. Abedon, Ohio State University
  • "The universe had a beginning. There was once nothing and now there is something." Janna Levin, Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics at Cambridge University
    So, early humans had access to the same God that we have, yet their primative explanations of creation at least included God. Now, in our vaunted intellect, we have decided that God was an archtypical myth.
    Claiming to be wise, we will end up as fools.

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    doctrbill
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    Message 141 of 200 (147019)
    10-03-2004 3:35 PM
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    10-03-2004 3:27 PM


    Re: Tit for Tat
    Phatboy writes:
    ... early humans had access to the same God that we have ...
    You have access to God?
    db

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    doctrbill
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    Message 142 of 200 (147023)
    10-03-2004 3:45 PM
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    10-03-2004 3:27 PM


    Re: Tit for Tat
    Phatboy writes:
    their primative explanations of creation at least included God.
    Sorry about trivializing your opinion of God. I shouldn't have done that. But I am curious. If the authors of Genesis were wrong about the nature of Nature, then why should we expect them to be right about the nature of God?
    db

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    Phat
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    Message 143 of 200 (147026)
    10-03-2004 3:58 PM
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    10-03-2004 3:45 PM


    Re: Tit for Tat
    doctrbill writes:
    But I am curious. If the authors of Genesis were wrong about the nature of Nature, then why should we expect them to be right about the nature of God?
    IF it is possible to commune/communicate with God, as I believe that I can, THEN it matters not what era in the progression of humanity attempts to do so. Hi Tech Science, with all of their measuring devices, theories, and literature are really no closer than the bronze age goatherder, who in all probability had more time for silence and meditation--

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    doctrbill
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    Message 144 of 200 (147029)
    10-03-2004 4:05 PM
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    10-03-2004 3:58 PM


    Re: Tit for Tat
    Phatboy writes:
    Hi Tech Science, with all of their measuring devices, theories, and literature are really no closer than the bronze age goatherder, who in all probability had more time for silence and meditation--
    The bronze age herders had more time for silence and meditation because they weren't busy attempting to overthrow the science of their day, in the name of God, via the internet.
    db

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    Phat
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    Message 145 of 200 (147055)
    10-03-2004 6:51 PM
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    10-03-2004 4:05 PM


    Tou'che
    Too shay

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    doctrbill
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    Message 146 of 200 (147056)
    10-03-2004 7:03 PM
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    10-03-2004 6:51 PM


    Re: Tou'che

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    Phat
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    Message 147 of 200 (147110)
    10-04-2004 2:51 AM
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    10-03-2004 7:03 PM


    Re: Tou'che

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    arachnophilia
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    Message 148 of 200 (147112)
    10-04-2004 2:58 AM
    Reply to: Message 134 by doctrbill
    10-03-2004 1:06 PM


    It's certainly not what we call 'evolution' today but as a step in the development of natural philosophy it represents a reasoning from simplicity to complexity,
    hi, read with me.
    quote:
    When God began to create heaven and earth -- the earth being unformed and void
    simplicity, do you agree? god then goes on to create things, and the earth becomes complex. that's what the bible says. and i bet you find the same in ANY creation myth, because they all start from basically NOTHING.
    Day seven presents a critical element in the development of civilization: the all important calendar and even more importantly, to the masses of working class humanity, ...
    The Weekend.
    What could be more important than that!?
    quote:
    Exd 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    Exd 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
    Exd 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
    maybe if the weekend was only one day.

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    arachnophilia
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    Message 149 of 200 (147117)
    10-04-2004 3:15 AM
    Reply to: Message 131 by ramoss
    10-03-2004 10:38 AM


    However, Genesis bares remarkable similarity to the Ugartic stories..
    of course they do.
    there's good evidence that one may have been a spin-off of the other, or at the very least that they grew up in close contact. i'm entirely sure which is more likely to be right, as i'm not really up on my knowledge of the city of ugarit.
    wheer even the names of the El, and the sons of El are reflected as being several names of God in the Torah.
    this may just be a coincidence of language, actually. although i'm not personally convinced of that.

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    doctrbill
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    Message 150 of 200 (147122)
    10-04-2004 3:30 AM
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    10-04-2004 2:58 AM


    Arachnophilia writes:
    i bet you find the same in ANY creation myth, because they all start from basically NOTHING.
    Hmmm. Well, pretty much all of which I am aware begin with water, the prime element (according to ancient 'chemistry'). From this element, all others may be derived (according to Aristotle). So ... OK, essentially nothing.
    maybe if the weekend was only one day.
    Gots to start somewhere.
    db

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