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Freeloader
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Message 271 of 302 (297470)
03-22-2006 11:44 PM


UFO's in the Bible
Of all the paranormal topics in the Bible, the existence of UFOs seem to almost be a no-brainer. What? Did I really just say that out loud? Many, many people gasp in disbelief when they hear this, and I think I know part of the reason why. When people think of UFOs, it seems they almost always think of little green (or grey) men with big black eyes who reportedly abduct people at night and perform hideous experiments on them. When I see toys and other items in stores that portray "aliens" or "UFOs" they always seems to picture these same little aliens.

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Message 272 of 302 (297474)
03-22-2006 11:50 PM
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Re: UFO's in the Bible
Hi Freeloader,
We really frown on cut and paste material here, especially when that makes up the entire post.
Please take the time to familiarize yourself with our board and the threads you are posting to. Keep your posts on topic and follow our Forum Guidelines.
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    Freeloader
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    Message 273 of 302 (297477)
    03-22-2006 11:56 PM
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    03-22-2006 11:50 PM


    Re: UFO's in the Bible
    Ok, I will keep that in mind!
    Thanks

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    DeclinetoState
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    Message 274 of 302 (297805)
    03-24-2006 1:17 PM
    Reply to: Message 271 by Freeloader
    03-22-2006 11:44 PM


    UFO in Ezekiel
    Ezekiel 1 has been described as an encounter with a UFO, an argument made by the likes of Erich von Daniken. I don't think his views have much credibility in either scientific or religious circles, but there might be a topic for a new thread here, unless the subject has already been discussed at length.

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    Freeloader
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    Message 275 of 302 (297852)
    03-24-2006 4:33 PM
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    03-24-2006 1:17 PM


    Re: UFO in Ezekiel
    Ezekiels Wheel is only one of several stories regarding unexplainable occurrences as told in the bible. One possible explanation is that people of the times had a smaller vocabulary when compared to people of today. They had fewer words to describe things thereby gaining new and differenet explanations as time passed.
    Stromms exhaustive resource shows every word used in the bible, including where and how many times. This tends to show how the same word was often used to describe many things that were similar yet, not the same.

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    DeclinetoState
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    Message 276 of 302 (297897)
    03-24-2006 6:13 PM
    Reply to: Message 275 by Freeloader
    03-24-2006 4:33 PM


    Re: UFO in Ezekiel
    Ezekiels Wheel is only one of several stories regarding unexplainable occurrences as told in the bible. One possible explanation is that people of the times had a smaller vocabulary when compared to people of today. They had fewer words to describe things thereby gaining new and differenet explanations as time passed.
    When I was in college, I remember taking a US History course in which one of the texts gave an example of how an early explorer who had never seen one before might describe a baseball game. It was quite funny. It's easy to forget that someone from a culture or technological era different from our own would describe his or her world as well as ours in very different words from the ones we're used to using today.

    Never overestimate the intelligence of someone who thinks you're wrong.

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    Freeloader
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    Message 277 of 302 (297928)
    03-24-2006 7:47 PM
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    03-24-2006 6:13 PM


    Re: UFO in Ezekiel
    That goes right along with how we actually 'see' things, as compared to "how we think we see" things.
    I once attended a lecture on perception and interpretation where the speaker held up various note cards during the speech. The cards were all white with black text - something we are all quite accustomed to seeing on a regular basis. Each card typically only had one word or a picture on it and he would present them for only a few seconds each. At the end of his lecture, he held up one final note card, a card which none of us (to my knowledge at the time) could decipher. He held this card up for a longer period of time than the others yet still, none of us could interpretate the content. Eventually, he referenced the card mentioning things like newspapers, magazines, and typical letters written to whomever. Still, we couldn't figure out the card. Then he told us what the content was - a simple 3 letter word, 'cat'. The difference was that the letters were in white, while the card was black.
    We were all looking for some meaning in the black, which was now the background, and of course it now meant nothing, and the white was the important part.
    Simply put, the important part is often right in front of us and we can't even see it.
    This message has been edited by Freeloader, 03-25-2006 12:51 AM

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    DeclinetoState
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    Message 278 of 302 (297969)
    03-24-2006 10:36 PM
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    03-24-2006 7:47 PM


    Re: UFO in Ezekiel
    I'm not sure what Freeloader's "BS or Not" site has to do with this discussion, but here is a link that works: http://bsornot.whipnet.net/stupidity/
    I believe that the cards were actually white, as were the letters on them. The black was used for the spaces between and around the letters. I remember seeing stuff like that as part of a self-esteem unit that my class was taught in 8th-grade math.

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    Jesus saves -Ben
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    Message 279 of 302 (299479)
    03-29-2006 8:45 PM


    Of course the Bible is true
    Of course the bible is true, you have to recognise that. God wrote it! WHat he wants to be in there is in there. God doesn't lie. And when it comes to giants in the bible, there were plenty. Ever hear of the canopy? In the pre-flood era there was a layer of water above the atmosphere. It came down in the flood (thats the rain) and it isnt there anymore. With a canopy, the air would have been much cleaner, and that is why we hear about people living 900 years in the Bible. Also with clean air, we can grow MUCH more in size. This test was proven when a small tomato plant was grown in the purest air man can make with technology. The thing grew 20 feet tall with water melon sized tomatoes! and they were the small tomatoes like the kind you put on salads. Anyway, humans also grew to be pretty big in the canopy times. THey have in fact found 12 foot tall skeletons in the middle east. Evolutionists dont tell you about those do you. Cause according to evolution we are getting bigger and better after all these years. the bible says we are getting smaller and dumber. Adam could walk, talk, name all the animals, and get married from day one. Thats pretty smart to me... repost if you agree or not

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    AdminAsgara
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    Message 280 of 302 (299480)
    03-29-2006 8:51 PM
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    03-29-2006 8:45 PM


    Re: Of course the Bible is true
    Welcome to EvC -Ben,
    In my signature box you will find several links to help make your stay here enjoyable.
    One thing you will notice is that our fora are divided into two different areas. One area is our Science fora, here one will be expected to back up their assertions with objective evidence. If you want to discuss theology, ID, morals, bible study, maybe our faith fora would be a better fit.
    You have made several claims in this post, some of them are on topic, some aren't. You will be asked by our members to show evidence for all of them. Our thread generally get closed around 300 posts so this thread is pretty near its limit. Not much space to discuss even one of your claims.
    You may want to look around our threads and pick one point to discuss at a time.
    Once again, welcome to EvC.

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    jar
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    Message 281 of 302 (299485)
    03-29-2006 9:05 PM
    Reply to: Message 279 by Jesus saves -Ben
    03-29-2006 8:45 PM


    Re: Of course the Bible is true
    Of course the bible is true, you have to recognise that. God wrote it!
    No,not really. And if you want to make such an assertion you need to provide some evidence in support.
    As to the canopy, unless you have some evidence it exists it's just another tall tale. Same for the flood or giants or people living 900 years or bodacious tomatoes or 12 foot tall skeletons, without some evidence it's just tall tales.
    Cause according to evolution we are getting bigger and better after all these years.
    Well, no, that's not what the TOE says.
    the bible says we are getting smaller and dumber. Adam could walk, talk, name all the animals, and get married from day one. Thats pretty smart to me... repost if you agree or not
    Well there's a whole herd of folk that might question if getting married is all that smart, particularly the day you meet the chick. LOL But not only that, there is nothing in the Bible that even suggests that Adam and Eve were married and not just shacking up. Plus it was only after he'd shagged all the other beasts that GOD even got the idea of creating a woman. A god that couldn't quite figure out what Adam needed for a mate, particularly after he'd made male and female for all the other critters can't be all that bright.

    Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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    arachnophilia
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    Message 282 of 302 (299486)
    03-29-2006 9:05 PM
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    03-29-2006 8:51 PM


    Re: Of course the Bible is true
    i think he's putting us on, queenie.

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    ReverendDG
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    Message 283 of 302 (299520)
    03-30-2006 1:34 AM
    Reply to: Message 279 by Jesus saves -Ben
    03-29-2006 8:45 PM


    Re: Of course the Bible is true
    That is one big tall tale alright!
    now if you can back any of this up i'd be surprised
    as for humans being larger, that is purely a misreading of the text in question
    and what people call "giants" in genesis is reading the text wrong
    and no they never found 12 food skeletons its the same recyled nonsense they've been saying for the last 20 years
    i think you are off the wall, and need to read your bible again, and read about evolution, not read pamplets from fundi churchs

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    Brian
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    Message 284 of 302 (299547)
    03-30-2006 7:36 AM
    Reply to: Message 279 by Jesus saves -Ben
    03-29-2006 8:45 PM


    Re: Of course the Bible is true
    Hi,
    the bible says we are getting smaller and dumber.
    Where does it say this?
    We must be getting dumber I mean all those cures for illnesses that scientists have came up with, space exploration, sanitation, agricultural advances, sure makes me wish I lived 4000 years ago!
    Adam could walk, talk, name all the animals, and get married from day one.
    Since Adam wasnt created until day 6, that would be a neat trick, Also, Eve wasn;t created unitl way after Adam, so maybe you need to read Genesis again.
    Thats pretty smart to me.
    But Adam was so dumb that he couldn't control his wife
    Anyway, the arguments yo present here have been done a million times and are really boring now, for example when you mention a 'water canopy' what evidence do you have for this?
    Brian.

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    Jesus Addict
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    Message 285 of 302 (310623)
    05-09-2006 10:09 PM
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    03-30-2006 7:36 AM


    Re: Of course the Bible is true
    There isnt really evidence saying that there was a water canipy other than the fact that it says the water came pooring from the heavens etc...I think it is something more to make sense of it i guess...it would explain giant size human footprints found i guess

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