Peanut Gallery for Brian and Buz's Exodus debate

Stop and think about that.The average town or village of the day would number somewhere between a few hundred families and a few thousand.If the Israelites stopped by for a snack they would totally wipe out the whole village.You live in a town that is at least four times as big as any villages the Israelites might have passed.What would happen if the total population of the city of Los Angles suddenly descended on Winnetka, all at once, to take groceries?How crowded would your streets be? Could you even fit the total population of LA in your city? Close your eyes and imagine Winnetka if everyone from LA suddenly walked in?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Okay, 6 per row, now how many animals would they have with them and how many carts?How far a distance between each row and how many miles long would that make the column? What difference would that make? What governmental problems?They didn't pass through any countries they left Egypt, wandered around a desert, then fought to get into a province of Egypt.What neighbouring countries were there? The Bible explains the reason for the forty years, it was a punishment from God. They spent 38 of the 40 years at Kadesh-Barnea before attacking Canaan. However, there is no sign of occupation at Kadesh-Barnea, making the story impossible. The length of the people is important because it makes the logistics look silly. Well about 3 million set out so that's the important figure, and a ludicrous one. Exactly how many miles a day do you think a nomadic group, complete with livestock can cover? But about 99% of the column of Israelites would still be in Egypt waiting on the front rows moving! I would also like to think that pharaoh's crack charioteers can travel slightly faster than anyone on foot. That's what the fairytale says. What is the point you are trying to make about not travelling in straight lines? What villages were there for them to go to? You are wrong.The Sinai desert could not sustain a group of 3 million, there simply isn't enough food or water.The growth rate required for a group of 70 to grow to 3 million in 430 years is similarly impossible.The enslavement and Exodus simply did not happen. It is no big deal in the grand scheme of things.Brian.

They didn't take the road to the wilderness. They may very well have walked 1oo to a 1ooo people abreast. Herding cattle on all sides. That they didn't take a road is revealed by their going where a road wouldn't lead:a dead end. A dead end is the destination of all men until they come to Jesus.Regardless, it took many miraculous works of almighty God to feed, clothe, educate, church and provide land for them. What you may not realize is that God intends on doing it again.Joman.

And you incredulity is due to what astounding evidence of such limits to population growth?Joman.

Jesus wasn't alive during the Exodus. That is a non sequitur. The dead end they traveled toward was the Red Sea. And who said they took a road?The rest of your post is just a big GODIDIT.

That doesn't help the logistics at all.And a block of 3 million people is no easier to maneuver than a column of 3 million people. By the time the back end got the "Wagons Ho!" message, the front end would be stopping for the night. Are you saying there are no roads to the beach?

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I am not pleased that Brian opened this up to the peanut gallery when we haven't even gotten into the most empirical evidence for the Exodus which is the crossing, Mt Sinai, et al in our own thread. I did not agree to a one vs a number of counterparts debate. I'm too busy at this time to do responses to another lively thread with a number of people so I will not be participating in this thread which I did not commit myself to. It appears that Brian wants to stonewall this debate in the most ambiguous aspects of the Exodus for which there is little evidence to verify, leaving a lot of unknowns which will never be solved. He should have waited at least until we got beyond Mt. Sinai before opening this up. He has essentially killed our own great debate so far as I see. If he cares to close this thread and move on with our own, I'll continue with him. Otherwise the debate is off so far as I'm concerned.

I hope you'll reconsider, Buz.We've often had peanut galleries to Great Debates, and it seems a shame to insist that other people in another room shut up before you will talk.

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you know, I always thought the Peanut gallery threads were for those of us who aren't in the GD that find the topic interesting, at least. There's no requirement for you to address any points made here, just those made in the GD.(nobody's stopping you from answering points made here, but that almost defeats the purpose of a peanut gallery and a GD)

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Firstly there are other people who want to discuss the issues already raised in the GD thread. On that ground alone Brian was absolutely right to raise this post. I suspect that your objection is based more on the fact that you are doing very badly in the GD thread - which is entirely your fault -As for your empiricial evidence I very much doubt that you have anything new to bring to the table so why should Brian wait for that ? It's just going to be the same old rubbish that has been thoroughly dealt with in past threads. There's probably no good reason to even talk about it in the GD thread.I'd also suggest that instead of wasting time with Ellis' rubbish - which is throughly incompatible with Wyatt's rubbish and with the Bible - you could have got on with more productive lines of debate. If you choose to tie yourself up in knots instead of making productive contributions that is your problem - and not one that you can blame on anyone else.

From what I've read in the past at EvC, the peanut gallery is suppose to be for others to assess the GD and add debate or discuss in an open thread after the GD is finished. Imo you need to have one or the other. Otherwise the GD is a waste of time as whatever's said in it can be responded to by all, essentially like two highways side by side going to the same city from the same location. If you keep your road open I'm not traveling mine. However if that's the way you people and Brian want it, fine. I've been assessing the last hot thread of me against a crowd. What I've determined is that I can't do justice with more responses than I have time for, needing responses. For that reason, I'm just too busy with personal duties for participation. When you post a message and three to five folks respond, all wanting answers, all you do is get hammered for non-responses, copping out, running off, et al.

There is neither a need or even expectation that you would participate in the peanut gallery thread.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

The need not yours. It's mine. While I'm debating on a given point, the peanut gallery is either way ahead of GD or making points needing counterpart responses to keep the debate fair but one person unable to do so.A good example is this numbers thing which has essentially hijacked the GD with a sideline chorus assembled resoundingly singing single sided dissenting songs.

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All you need to do is present the best possible case for your position in the Great Debate thread.Regardless of what is presented in this thread, your task is to see if you can present a case for your position in the discussion with Brian.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I must've missed that EvC's GD/peanut gallery policy changed to simultaneous debates of the same topic.