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ConsequentAtheist Member (Idle past 6265 days) Posts: 392 Joined: |
quote:Yes: leave the math to the math majors. I was thinking the very same thing about the guy I quoted ... This message has been edited by ConsequentAtheist, 08-09-2005 05:24 PM
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CK Member (Idle past 4154 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Why? It would be helpful at this stage if instead of a cryptic remark you outline why. While you may argue with Ravhin's conclusions, he generally gives the reader a level of detail to work with. It would be useful if you did the same.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 7.7 |
Yes: leave the math to the math majors. I was thinking the very same thing about the guy I quoted ... By all means, SHOW me where my logic is flawed. I can show you several ways the gentlemen quoted WERE wrong in their probability calculations. Are you seriously proposing that there is a 1 in 2 chance that God exists? That all other religions throughout history are somehow less likely in the absence of additional evidence? Please, give us more than a cryptic and insulting one-liner to work with here. Otherwise you're just making personal attacks, a clear violation of the forum rules. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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CK Member (Idle past 4154 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Isn't the problem with the a-priori assignment of a 50% probability that each of these claims is true?
With the evidence at hand (The proper a-priori probability given our ignorance is a very very very small figure - near zero), we have no basis to excluse any of the other concepts in favour of this particular one. Therefore at the outset we must build into our calculation all of the other possible concepts. This gives us an infinite number of concepts? How did I do?
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 7.7 |
sn't the problem with the a-priori assignment of a 50% probability that each of these claims is true? With the evidence at hand (The proper a-priori probability given our ignorance is a very very very small figure - near zero), we have no basis to excluse any of the other concepts in favour of this particular one. Therefore at the outset we must build into our calculation all of the other possible concepts. This gives us an infinite number of concepts? That's exactly what I said. I'd really like to know where he thinks I'm mistaken. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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CK Member (Idle past 4154 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
moreover don't we have a problem that we (and forgive me I don't know the right terms) have no way of judging how possible each of the gods is? Would we not need to build this in?
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 7.7 |
moreover don't we have a problem that we (and forgive me I don't know the right terms) have no way of judging how possible each of the gods is? Would we not need to build this in? It IS built in. The probability of something existing when there is no evidence to suggest that it does is near-zero. God's existance is just as likely as the existance of the gods of any other religion, or an infinite number of theoretical worlds where no gods exist that similarly have no evidence to support their existance. Therefore, the existance of a single, all-powerful God is one possibility amongst an infinite number of equal possibilities. Note that the math in the quote I provided is also wrong, even if you bypass the flawed assumptions - there is a 50% chance that God does not exist - but there is a 97% chance that He was raised from the dead? That doesn't make any sense at all. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Most of those are simply quote mining taken out of context.
Begin with Zechariah 9. If you look at the whole thing, any connection with Jesus disappears. Zechariah 9:
Zechariah 9 Judgment on Israel's Enemies An Oracle 1 The word of the LORD is against the land of Hadrach and will rest upon Damascus for the eyes of men and all the tribes of Israel are on the LORD[a] 2 and upon Hamath too, which borders on it,and upon Tyre and Sidon, though they are very skillful. 3 Tyre has built herself a stronghold;she has heaped up silver like dust, and gold like the dirt of the streets. 4 But the Lord will take away her possessionsand destroy her power on the sea, and she will be consumed by fire. 5 Ashkelon will see it and fear;Gaza will writhe in agony, and Ekron too, for her hope will wither. Gaza will lose her king and Ashkelon will be deserted. 6 Foreigners will occupy Ashdod,and I will cut off the pride of the Philistines. 7 I will take the blood from their mouths,the forbidden food from between their teeth. Those who are left will belong to our God and become leaders in Judah, and Ekron will be like the Jebusites. 8 But I will defend my houseagainst marauding forces. Never again will an oppressor overrun my people, for now I am keeping watch. The Coming of Zion's King 9 Rejoice greatly, O Daughter of Zion! Shout, Daughter of Jerusalem! See, your king [ b] comes to you, righteous and having salvation, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey. 10 I will take away the chariots from Ephraimand the war-horses from Jerusalem, and the battle bow will be broken. He will proclaim peace to the nations. His rule will extend from sea to sea and from the River [c] to the ends of the earth. [d] 11 As for you, because of the blood of my covenant with you,I will free your prisoners from the waterless pit. 12 Return to your fortress, O prisoners of hope;even now I announce that I will restore twice as much to you. 13 I will bend Judah as I bend my bowand fill it with Ephraim. I will rouse your sons, O Zion, against your sons, O Greece, and make you like a warrior's sword. The LORD Will Appear 14 Then the LORD will appear over them; his arrow will flash like lightning. The Sovereign LORD will sound the trumpet; he will march in the storms of the south, 15 and the LORD Almighty will shield them.They will destroy and overcome with slingstones. They will drink and roar as with wine; they will be full like a bowl used for sprinkling [e] the corners of the altar. 16 The LORD their God will save them on that dayas the flock of his people. They will sparkle in his land like jewels in a crown. 17 How attractive and beautiful they will be!Grain will make the young men thrive, and new wine the young women. Even the heading in your own source identifies it as a Judgement on Israel's enemies. Once we reach agreement on this chapter we can move on to the rest. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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otherguy Inactive Member |
I know you guys want proof that Jesus existed but you will never find it. As a Christian I know that if they ever find proof of Jesus or God it kinda ruins the whole faith thing and that tottaly kills modern Chritianity. If thats why you can't beleve I understand completly. I just need someone to help me show me the ropes on this site it is very interesting to me
Im the NewBEGotta Love ME This message has been edited by otherguy, 08-09-2005 07:10 PM
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otherguy Inactive Member |
Thank You
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otherguy Inactive Member |
I have a relevant question. Christianity can't be the only religion that supports itself with a belife in prophecy. What other religions have made predictions and have they come true at least in the minds of its practitioners.
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CK Member (Idle past 4154 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
All? I don't know of any religion where they claim they got it wrong, they tend to just pretend it's a "misunderstanding".
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 7.7 |
How's this for Christianity?
quote: Mithra-ism certainly makes the Bible look like a close copy of a much older religion. Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6523 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
'Left Behind' is so warped!
I heard the radio series, OMG! It's like a Chick tract gone wrong! Just my 2 cents. This message has been edited by Yaro, 08-09-2005 08:14 PM
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