Noah's Ark

oh, i see.and my signature? i explained it in the signature thread... it's sort of a pun.

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Goes with an old song, something about a Wanderer, just a wanderer.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

more or less... lol

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Aren't we getting off topic here? So does the Behemoth exist nad does the Leviathan exist? Answer my simple question. I don't want to wander through life hunting something that isn't there!

believer,If all living species were descended from a single breeding pair that lived only two thousand years ago, there would be very clear genetic traces of the event visible in the DNA of every animal. If mutations in animals' DNA had only had 2000 years to accumulate, every member of each species would be exremely genetically similar across the entire genome. This is simply because 2000 years of mutation does not produce a large amount of heterozygosity.This is the opposite of what we find. The diversity in DNA within each species living on the planet today is far too high for us to accept that such a scenario is correct. It would have required mutation rates far higher than anything that has been observed in the natural world.So, on the basis of the genetic evidence, the entire flood story should be dismissed out of hand. It is not a literal truth.Mick

Hi Mick,Just a small nit pick.The Flood is said to be about 4400 years ago.Not that it makes any difference to the reality of the myth.

Don't know what the Leviathan is supposed to refer to, but the Behemoth is a bull elephant.

yes, and maybe.behemoth, an elephant, would have been on the ark.
leviathan, an animal associated with water, especially the sort of the flood, would not.

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Thank you so much for that analysis, Arachnophilia. But before I print this thread to use as a guide for other eyes, would you please have your forummates explain... Excuse me? I thought only 97% of the most diverse creatures' DNA is similar. Don't you think the GTCAs of DNA would get confounded over time quicker than most scientists can observe. And what biologist has lived over 120 years? Can you explain and tell me the genome of a plant that lived in the "Antediluvian" period, if there was such aperiod in Earth's brief history? Please help me out. And by prejudging the motvie of Brian the Machir, he only inputted his comment in to nitpick, and then confirm the mythology of the Flood.Tell me now, are you creo or evo?Creo: Is that a Christian attitude?
Evo: And you call yourself ascended from the lower, picky animals...ONe more thing: The word is not mutated; it's adapted.This message has been edited by Specter, 05/10/2005 09:55 AM

I'm not quite sure what your objections are to what Mick said. What does this mean? Is it that within a particular species even the most diverse members are 97% similar throughout their genome (a number far too high top be likely)? Or does it mean that the most divergent organisms, say a thermophilic archaebacteria and a giraffe for arguments sake, share 97% similarity in some particularly conserved protein? Nope, in fact there any number of papers where experimenters have followed the variation in genetic sequences over time in bacterial cultures. And even less so in the case of organisms with longer generation times. How can this be relevant to Mick's comments on the diversity seen in species living on the planet today? He isn't arguing that we can trace the genetic evolution through from ancestral DNA, simply that the diversity seen within species is too high, based on current rates, to have been generated from only a few breeding pairs in the few thousand years since the flood.TTFN,WK

always. for instance, i'm sure this was meant to be directed at me. however, i'll answer the question anyways. yes.

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I 'inputted' my comment so Mick would know when the Flood was said to have happened. My nitpick was over the slight error in chronology. As for the Flood being a myth, every science we have has already placed the Flood in the world of fiction.Brian.

i dunno about you, but the nile floods every year. floods happen all the time.now, a worldwide flood may be a fiction, but that doesn't stop the story from essentially being originally patterned after a true event of much smaller stature. there is evidence that a few thousand years back, several cities in mesopotamia all flooded at about the same time. this could what spawned the story in gilgamesh and the bible.

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HI Arach, I never flood, not that I have noticed anyway. Indeed they do, but, in the last 4500 years has a flood covered Mount Everest? Science has placed the face value biblical accounts of the flood into fiction.I agree that there is good evidence of localised flooding, but the two biblical accounts are not compatible with a local mini-flood.There have been many efforts to reinterpret the Flood narratives into what may be a reasonable scenario, but they really do not reflect what the Bible is saying. Sure, the flood narratives may be based on an actual local miniflood, and then exaggerated for effect. But what does this do for the credibility of the text? Think about it, if the authors took some relatively trivial flood and exaggerated it greatly, then that opens up the possibility that many other stories are exaggerated, including Jesus' 'sacrifice.'We both now that the Bible authors have indeed exaggerated much if the Old Testament, and we have no problems with that, but there are people who NEED every syllable in the Bible to be accurate, and the miniflood would be of no use to them.So, perhaps it was based on a miniflood, but this still means that the Bible version is untrue.Brian.

i used to, but then they banned me from mirc. does the bible say it did? i can't find this mt everest business in my copy. no, they're not really. but that doesn't mean that's not how the story got started. when did i pretend the bible was a credible source? i'm pretty i spent some time arguing faith that it was, in fact, not. *shrugs* i'm ok with it if you are.

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