Noah's Ark

oh, such subtlety, you sly serpent.i mean they are basically the same concept. it's about feeling bad for what you've done. in fact, my translation uses the word "regret" here. *shrugs* not always sure on everything.

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no. i'm in a star wars mood lately.

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LUKE: You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father.

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BEN: You father was seduced by the dark side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I have told you was true... from a certain point of view.

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LUKE (turning away, derisive): A certain point of view!

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always thought that was a bit of cop-out on the part of obi. i don't see how the two are connected. even if i were to believe in micro-spiritdeath, i don't see how that would affect succesive generation. i don't believe in macro-spiritdeath.

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I agree. What mechanism is proposed for passing spiritual death from one generation to the next? And where is the evidence of macro-spiritdeath?

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People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.

absolutely none! it can't exist. nobody has ever witnessed it.

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Thats how it could happen by flipping end over end.

Thats one way it was explained to me, although I am not saying that is the way it is.It does fit when studying the concept of being born again. Also, I consider myself born again, and expereinced something that which changed me on the outside, and the inside. Physically and mentally.He could have meant also that life would not have ended for them, but making them "mortal" or mortal with death, by eating the fruit.

What is micro-spirit death, and macro spirit death, I have not heard these terms before?I also should not have said that your spirit is dead, but not yet born yet. Dead in a way, but not dead, one must be born before dying.

Of course, what they did not calcuate was the stress on a wooden vessel that size.It would split in half under it's own weight in the water.

well, it's like micro-evolution, vs macro-evolution.

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I am not an engineer, and I think you are, or are studying to be one, but I say maybe, maybe not.It would all depend on the construction technic. If the design was truely from God, do you think it would have been flawed enough to break under its own weight?Wood can do some amazing things, and is probably stronger than the numbers you refer to in an engineers guide. I have personally built a wooden crane that lifted 4,000lbs using 2x10's for the arms. That was also 8ft away from the point of lifting, so the stress on the wood was far greater than that. If you look at the load capacitys of wood, it will tell you that a 2x10 cannot do that, but it does. Looking to do the same thing in steel would require 2 8" I beams, which I could not use, because it would sink the end of the boat I had the crane mounted on.

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riverrat writes:But it all comes down to the way you look at it.
We are mostly on the same page now as far as TOE not being proven.
Also TOE should not be used to believe or not belive in God.agreed?
Lam writes:I never thought this would ever be possible. This clearly proves that pigs can fly.But anyway, yes, I agree.
John 8:32
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

Ok, I still don't get it, can you put it in lamen terms for me?
I don't see the difference between micro-spirit death, and macro. I don't understand why you would put those prefix's in front of the words spirit death at all.Also what it has to do with what Adam and Eve went through and what we experience today as far as being born with an unborn spirit.

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John 3
6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
7 You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.' 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

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This is what Jesus said about it.

There is no difference.. just like there is no difference between 'micro-evoltuion' and macro-evolution'.You need a new irony detector.

It is not beyond me to not understand something. Or miss the joke. If it was just irony, that would explain why I didn't get it. Although I have tried "humor" here in this forum a few times, I have found in general that people get all confused when trying to have an intelligent conversation, so I gave up on it.This would also explain why I was like, what heck is he talking about?
lol

yes, it was a joke. well, not just irony. i really don't believe in macro-spiritdeath (meaning original sin).This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 05-27-2005 11:49 AM

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Don't you just hate it when you have to explain the jokes? I never even heard of Original Sin^TM in church. I first came across the idea in Robert L. Short's The Gospel According to Peanuts (or was it The Parables of Peanuts?)I found the idea distinctly odd.

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People who think they have all the answers usually don't understand the questions.