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Sincerely, thank you buz, I could ask no more. Do try to find a wide variety of sources: I've been learning much in the last fw days from the site you linked to. I'm sad to say you will surely find terrible accounts of atrocities wherever you look.

Well done and well said, buzz. BTW, I don't disagree with you that the more egregious atrocities have been committed by Khartoum (although there are documented instances on Garang's part, as well - as often against other Christians as against the government). I was only taking exception to the overly-simplistic and emotionally-loaded characterization of the conflict as a religious war.

I guess this is off topic, but one thing I've always found when studying Sudan is that you can read so much (I did a report on it 2 years ago), and still come away not believing you have in anyway read anything objective or approximating the truth. There is so little reliable information coming out of it that it's hard to know what to believe. Would they be a serious oil producer? Is the war in the south still about the SPLM/A's original goals? etc. And above all, it's a tragedy that rarely gets mentioned, except perhaps by Christians still anxious to portray themselves as persecuted (the torture, murders, conscription of child soldiers, etc. goes very much both ways). I don't think anyone who's not been to Sudan themselves, and visited both the north and south, will be able to tell you much objectively about the place.Joel

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It's done - nice to end on a civilised not, don't you think?I'll close it off tonight if there are no objections. No harm in another prophecy thread, of course.

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I'll close it off tonight if there are no objections. No harm in another prophecy thread, of course.

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That's fine, sir. I have some more prophecies to talk about sometime, but I'll open another thread when I'm ready. Thanks, and many thanks to all who made the thread an interesting and challenging one. Hopefully we've all learned something in it.[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 05-20-2003]

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The 144 thousand virgins are not angels. They are Jewish people, 12000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel.

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So you say. Maybe you are right, but if you can interpret 'angel' as 'satelite,' why is it so wrong to interpret 144 thousand critters flying around the throne of God as 'angel'? And, yes, they did orbit the throne. They sang before it, and before the four beasts, and before the elders. The text never calls them 'the Jews' and in fact has them behaving very un-Jew-like-- that is, following the lamb. Remember who killed Jesus? See how easy it is to get what you want out of a prophecy this vague?

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2. The Greek word aggelon (angel) means messenger and though it usually refers to an angelic being, it can refer to another type of messenger.

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Do you believe that John saw a satellite, and having no other word for it, called it an angel? Or you you believe that John saw some human-ish creature speaking? The former option would mean that John had an atrocious command of his language and simply did not describe what he saw. The second option would mean that John saw an Angel with a capitol A, and not a satellite. Either position takes enormous liberties with the text.------------------
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