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nator
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Message 31 of 82 (40498)
05-17-2003 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Buzsaw
05-16-2003 11:47 PM


quote:
In Revelation 14:6 we read of an angel "flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to the nations." On my house I have two dishes. One is dish network and the other a Dominion Sky Angel dish. The Sky Angel dish is for Christian programing. There is a satellite up there "flying in the midst of heaven" named "Sky Angel" owned by Christians which broadcasts over 30 channels to the nations of the world of Christian gospel and other like minded programs. Some are lousy, imo and some good, but nevertheless, imo, this is a modern day fulfillment of the Revelation prophecy.
In Revelation 11 and in Revelation 18 we have two interesting prophecies which would be impossible to fulfill before the emergence of TV. In both cases all the nations of the world are able to see an event in one spot on the planet. In Revelation 11 it is the bodies of two witnesses or prophets lying in the streets of Jerusalem three days. In chapter 18, it is the city of "Mystery Babylon" which is destroyed by fire in "one hour." The kings of the earth are forseen to view it from afar. Again, impossible until TV.
Also it is prophesied in the Bible that when Jesus appears in the clouds to return to earth, he will be seen by all.
Give me a BREAK!
Anybody who tries to interpret the acid trip that is the Book of Revelations is just being silly.
Tell me, do you spend any time watching science programming or National Geographic or NOVA specials on PBS?
You might learn something.

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nator
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Message 32 of 82 (40499)
05-17-2003 7:52 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Mister Pamboli
05-17-2003 2:49 AM


Buzsaw, do you think that the troubles between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland have anything to do with religion?

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Coragyps
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Message 33 of 82 (40504)
05-17-2003 11:45 AM
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05-16-2003 11:47 PM


There is a satellite up there "flying in the midst of heaven" named "Sky Angel" owned by Christians
ROFL! And you're going to tell me that the folks who funded this sattelite had never read Revelations, and that their name for it was just a coincidence?? Talk about a case of "fulfilling prophecy" by pandering to it! Wow!

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Buzsaw
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Message 34 of 82 (40508)
05-17-2003 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Mister Pamboli
05-17-2003 3:01 AM


Mr. P. sir, I didn't flat out deny your allegations about the south. I simply asked you to document them. My sources are varied, but the main source is Voice of the Martyrs who documents monthly all that's going on over there. Check out persecution.com for the site. They don't always feature the Sudan though, as they work globally. Also Billy Graham's son, Franklin heads "Samaritan's Purse." He also has reported quite a lot about the Sudan on Fox News and elswhere. This's not so partisan as you are depicting. Yes there's at
rocities on both sides as always, but here, It's not equally as horrific as you are implying.
As for your conscription thing, our own government did some of that in WWII. Even the draft is conscription in a sense, and in wartime where the SPLA in desperation, are fighting for their very survival over death or slavery, you do what you need to do or die. There are people all over the place down there with terrible scars and missing limbs who've been rescued or bought back from the ruthless slave traders. Islam is not content with killing. The fundies prefer torturous treatment, whether in death or in coersive persecution as the prophet Mohammed did and taught.

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Buzsaw
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Message 35 of 82 (40509)
05-17-2003 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by nator
05-17-2003 7:52 AM


quote:
Buzsaw, do you think that the troubles between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland have anything to do with religion?
I'm not apprised enough on that to know for sure who's the more ruthless there, but the inquisitions of the dark ages may offer a clue. We're getting off here, but an interesting topic for a thread. Yes, definitely religious. Satan himself is very religious.
[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 05-17-2003]

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crashfrog
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Message 36 of 82 (40510)
05-17-2003 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Buzsaw
05-17-2003 3:59 PM


Satan himself is very religious.
He could hardly be an atheist, could he?

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Buzsaw
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Message 37 of 82 (40511)
05-17-2003 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Coragyps
05-17-2003 11:45 AM


quote:
ROFL! And you're going to tell me that the folks who funded this sattelite had never read Revelations, and that their name for it was just a coincidence?? Talk about a case of "fulfilling prophecy" by pandering to it! Wow!
See, this's how some of you people just don't get it. The miracle of it is NOT about how it comes to pass. The miracle of it is that to utter such a statement in a time when it was utterly impossible would seem totally sensless to the people who heard the prophetic statement. Then lo and behold, along comes a time in history TWO MILLENIUMS down the line when the seemingly impossible becomes reality. Problem is that those who finally witness the fulfillment are so programmed into the change which made it possible that in their calloused minds they don't even see it. If three centuries ago someone would tell you actural images/pictures would fly through space of things happening in Tokyo and end up in millions of living rooms worldwide, you'd sware they were insane or illusional. So with actual messages being sent from the midst of heaven and reaching millions of points throughout the whole planet. Get it?
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Buzsaw
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Message 38 of 82 (40512)
05-17-2003 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by crashfrog
05-17-2003 4:02 PM


quote:
He could hardly be an atheist, could he?
He's all things to all men, that by all means he might deceive most. He inspired athiestic communism, but imo, he prefers religion, because by nature, being creatures of the divine, as history attests, mankind is inherantly religious.

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crashfrog
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Message 39 of 82 (40513)
05-17-2003 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
05-17-2003 4:16 PM


The miracle of it is NOT about how it comes to pass. The miracle of it is that to utter such a statement in a time when it was utterly impossible would seem totally sensless to the people who heard the prophetic statement.
But it isn't totally senseless. The problem with prophecy is that it is always sufficiently broad that you can take almost any event and fit it into the prophecy. I'm certain that apologists have been interpreting that prophecy and others as having been fulfilled. Some may have interpreted events into the framework the minute the prophecy was made.
It wasn't impossible to conceive at the time - words travel through the air when we speak them. If I didn't know why they did that, I might easily assume that the power of a god would be so great that his words might carry everywhere. No big deal.
If three centuries ago someone would tell you actural images/pictures would fly through space of things happening Tokyo and end up in millions of living rooms worldwide, you'd sware they were insane or illusional.
To the contrary, I would have called them a science-fiction writer. S-F writers have been predicting stuff for a hundred years before it happened - submarines, satellites, even computers - are they, then, prophets? Or just good guessers?
You clearly ignore the power of prophecy to be self-fulfilling. I could make any prophecy I pleased and if people thought it was important enough, they would find a way to either make it happen or interpret events into it. This has been going on since the Greeks.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 40 of 82 (40514)
05-17-2003 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Buzsaw
05-17-2003 3:52 PM


quote:
Also Billy Graham's son, Franklin heads "Samaritan's Purse." He also has reported quite a lot about the Sudan on Fox News and elswhere. This's not so partisan as you are depicting.
Um, Buz?
Fox news is the most right-wing conservative, Republican-loving network on TV.
They are plenty biased.
Oh, and Franklin Graham thinks that Islam, as a religion, is a wicked and evil religion and has said so publically.
He's an arrogant bigot, clearly, and yet he is still embraced by the White House.
No surprise there, really.

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crashfrog
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Posts: 19762
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Message 41 of 82 (40515)
05-17-2003 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by nator
05-17-2003 4:30 PM


Fox news is the most right-wing conservative, Republican-loving network on TV.
I think you left out jingoistic. Not to mention smug. It's their accursed smugness that really drives me up the wall - not just on their commentrary shows (ala Bill O'Rielly) but their regular news programming anchors are the epitome of smugness and judgement. I hate that.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 42 of 82 (40516)
05-17-2003 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Buzsaw
05-17-2003 3:59 PM


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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 43 of 82 (40517)
05-17-2003 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Buzsaw
05-17-2003 3:59 PM


I wrote:
Buzsaw, do you think that the troubles between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland have anything to do with religion?
Buzz replies:
[QUOTE]I'm not apprised enough on that to know for sure who's the more ruthless there,[QUOTE] Which group is more ruthless wasn't my question.
My question was, "do you think that the troubles between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland have anything to do with religion?"
quote:
but the inquisitions of the dark ages may offer a clue.
It's a simple yes or no answer, really.
quote:
We're getting off here, but an interesting topic for a thread. Yes, definitely religious. Satan himself is very religious.
So, you DO think that the Catholics and Protestants who have been dominating/killink/hating/terrorizing each other in Ireland are doing so for purely or mainly religious reasons?
It has nothing at all to do with the catholics wanting to remain independent of England and the protestants wanting to remain loyal to the crown according to you, then?
Oh, and why do you bring up satan?
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"Evolution is a 'theory', just like gravity. If you don't like it, go jump off a bridge."

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nator
Member (Idle past 2170 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 44 of 82 (40518)
05-17-2003 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Buzsaw
05-17-2003 4:16 PM


In other words, you always get to interpret the Bible any way you want so that the prophecies are always "true" and never wrong.
Wow, that's really convincing.
You can do the same thing with every other predictive mystical book on the planet that is vage like the Bible is vague, you know.

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Buzsaw
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Message 45 of 82 (40521)
05-17-2003 4:46 PM


Crashfrog, all I can say is that the miracle's there if and when you ever get over being so Bibliophobistically inclined to wake up and smell the coffee. You remind me of the Pharasees and Saducees who witnessed the resurrection of Lazarus. The first thing on their mind was how to get both the resurrected and the resurrector into the grave, so as to not hinder the promotion of their own looser ideologies.

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