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AdminBen Inactive Member |
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Brian Member (Idle past 4986 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
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This message has been edited by Brian, 10-20-2005 01:36 PM
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ramoss Member (Idle past 639 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Actually, Santa is quite correct. The ancient hebrews used a LUNAR calendar, which is still in use today! The current system was formalized
in the 4th century C.E. I would say that his statement about the ancient hebrews knowing their year is right. The stuff about Moeses is pure speculation. That is why that the Jewish Sabbath started at sundown, because it is a lunar calender. http://www.lexicorient.com/e.o/jew_cal.htm This message has been edited by ramoss, 09-17-2005 08:34 AM
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Brian Member (Idle past 4986 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
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This message has been edited by Brian, 10-20-2005 01:37 PM
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Admin Director Posts: 13038 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
Hi Brian,
You might try giving Santa a helping hand by indicating that you're not completely ignorant of the source of some of the ideas he's citing, such as Moses as author of Genesis.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3075 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
You might try giving Santa a helping hand by indicating that you're not completely ignorant of the source of some of the ideas he's citing, such as Moses as author of Genesis. The claim is though, that God was the author. The inability to identify any earthly author supports the claim. Henry Herepton the Reptile
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2520 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
The claim is though, that God was the author. The inability to identify any earthly author supports the claim. Really?! Sweet! I have tons of notes and letters all over my house. I have absolutely no idea who wrote them. I know you have no idea who wrote them. Therefore, God wrote them. And believe you me, when God tells you "You may have already won 10million dollars" you better sit up and take notice
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1371 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
The claim is though, that God was the author. The inability to identify any earthly author supports the claim. of the bible period, or of genesis specifically, or what? because i can identify some earthly authors of the bible. paul's a rather notable one. it's also pretty evident that the bible has multiple authors (even within the same book), so if some unearthly source literally wrote the bible, "god" would not a be correct answers -- "gods" would, though.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 504 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
Herepton writes: The claim is though, that God was the author. The inability to identify any earthly author supports the claim. Herepton, perhaps you weren't aware of this, but it was common practice in ancient times and up to the Renaissance for authors of certain works to not identify themselves or to sign their works. People back then believed that anything they did was for the glory of god and thus was expected to be humble enough to not claim their own work.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 504 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
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This message has been edited by GAW-Snow, 09-19-2005 12:07 AM
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Lysimachus Member (Idle past 5218 days) Posts: 380 Joined: |
Interesting topic about the flood and meat eating. I think I will briefly comment:
I remember seeing it being mentioned somewhere in this thread that eating meat and flesh is now okay after the flood, and "part of Christian dogma". Correct me if I'm wrong. Let me emphasize however that yes, it may be part of general Christian dogma amongst most fundamental groups, but this does not mean the belief is rampant among all Christian denominations and sects. Seventh-Day Adventists, for example, are vegetarians (at least most of them anyway). I totally agree with their philosophy on vegetarianism. In fact, I'm actually a little more strict than most Adventists. I'm a Vegan Vegetarian, and have been so for about 14 years. I'm very conscientious about my diet, and am not a "potato chip vegetarian". I eat plenty of fruits, grains, nuts, beans, and vegetables, and I feel very good after meals like this. I do my best to balance my proteins and carbs, and lean more toward natural and sometimes organic processed vegetarian/soybased meats, such as Deli Slices, Tofu Dogs, and Silk (soy milk) and "Better Than Milk" soymilk brand. I know many Christians to use various verses in scripture to justify and rationalize that it is okay to eat any meat or animal as long as the Lord has blessed it. I will not go into detail as to why I believe they are wrong, and why they are missinterpreting these verses, but I will say that strong evidence suggests that Seventh-Day Adventists live an average of 10 years longer and have less heart disease than their counterparts. The body is the temple of the Holy Ghost, so I do believe God expects us to take care of our bodies. Here is an interesting "Journey of Longetivity" done by National Geographic that speaks about different cultures, their diets, and even Seventh-Day Adventists and their diet: http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/...ts_n_sounds/index.html Listen the whole thing through if you would. Now I shall comment on Noah and his family eating meat. Yes, it was the Lord's will that Noah and his Family eat meat after they walked off the Ark. But the question is, WHY? Why did God allow Noah and his family to eat meat after they walked off the Ark? Well, for one, God was being logical. The planet was barren from vegetation, and it would be a number of years before a substantial amount of vegetation would be available to live off. As for me, personally, however, I do feel it was God's intention that man should eventually return back to a diet closer to the original diet at Eden. During Daniel's time, many years had past since Noah's family, and his vegetarian-like diet was exemplified in the Bible in Daniel 1:8-17. Instead of meat and wine, Daniel and his 3 friends requested "pulse" and "water". "Pulse" could represent legumes such as peas, beans, or even lentils--all of these being great meat substitutes which provide the necessary protein the body needs. This is not to say Daniel did not eat meats such as fish, or perhaps even lamb. These types of meats were acceptable of God and were clean back in those days. However, it is of my opinion that as we draw closer to the last days of this earth's history, we are living in a time when it is no longer safe to eat anything that comes from the animal kingdom. I personally believe that in proportion to the wickedness of man, so is the increase of disease amongst animals. It may be said that disease exists amongst fruits and vegetables. This may be true, but still; they are still safer than animals, and as long as we do our part in doing our best to stay healthy, God will bless us. He cannot bless us, however, if we are presumptuous enough to think "no matter what I eat, as long as I pray for God to bless it, He will protect me". This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 10-22-2005 05:01 PM
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Are you Seventh Day Adventist? Even though Adventists only forbid the Leviticus unclean foods, they recommend vegetarianism.
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Well, for one, God was being logical. The planet was barren from vegetation, and it would be a number of years before a substantial amount of vegetation would be available to live off. Logical? There are no plants around for a few years, so just eat animals? What do those animals eat, Lysimachus? Mud?
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evolutionimpaired Inactive Member |
About the eating meat issue and Eden diet, I don't think the Bible I read forbids all meat. Cain was a sheep farmer who sacrificed sheep to God and would have been blessed as much as Able if he offered his best sheep.
Veggies for herbivores after the flood: They needed some food on the boat and there was still at least drifting vegetation if not stubburn plants left after the flood because the sign of land was a dove returning with an olive branch. The catch would be supplying meat to strict carnivores. That's alot to store until herbivores supply new offspring. I'm a Christian that believes God continued to create, oversees evolution, or the flood covered the known world at the time. This message has been edited by evolutionimpaired, 10-23-2005 09:51 AM
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3485 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:I found your comment interesting. Was the practice just in the religious works or did other forms also not sign their works? Very different from today. Now the religious write it, sign it, copyright it, print it, and hawk it.I guess humble isn't quite what it used to be. "The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France
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