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Author Topic:   Genesis: is it to be taken literally?
almeyda
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Message 15 of 301 (106508)
05-08-2004 12:28 AM


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I take Genesis literally. 7-24hr days. Earth only 6-10,000yrs old.

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almeyda
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Message 17 of 301 (106533)
05-08-2004 4:43 AM


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Following the chronology of the Bible of course. Remember that book is a historical document , a extremely reliable one. Following the chronology in the Bible gives us a earth date of about 6,000 or so yrs. But definately no more than 10,000.

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almeyda
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Message 19 of 301 (106544)
05-08-2004 6:34 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by crashfrog
05-08-2004 4:58 AM


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Go to the book of Chronicles and see the intricate tracing of the history of Israel. This is a true historical document of Israel history. Go to the Table of Nations in Genesis 10. It stands alone in ancient literature without a remote parallel to even the Greeks. From Samuel 1 through II Chronicles one finds the history of Israel covering 5 centuries. Professor Albright in his essay "Biblical Period" writes "Hebrew national tradition excels all others in its clear picture of tribal & family origins. In Egypt & Baylonia, in Assyria & Phoenicia, in Greece & Rome, we look in vain for anything comparable. There is nothing like it in the tradition of the Germanic peoples. Neither India or China can produce anything similar, since their earliest historical memories are literary deposits of distored dynastic tradition, with no trace of the herdman or peasant behind the demigod or king with whom their records begin. Neither in the oldest Indic historical writings nor in the earliest Greek historians is there a hint of a fact that both Indo-Aryans & Hellenes were once nomads who immigrated into their later abodes from the north. The Assyrians to be sure, remembered vaguely that their earliest rulers, whose names they recalled without any details about their deed, were tent dwellers, but whence they came from had long been forgotten"
We can trust the Bible to give us a source of when and how the earth came to be. None of us were there but we know someone who was and we have is word and we can test it and theres lots of evidence are you interested?

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almeyda
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Message 28 of 301 (106599)
05-08-2004 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by crashfrog
05-08-2004 8:44 AM


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Genesis 1:1-2:4 --- Creation ,6 days --- Age of Earth 0
Genesis 5:3 --- Adam 130yrs, Seth born --- 130yrs
Genesis 5:6 --- Seth 105yrs, Enos born --- 235yrs
Genesis 11:10 --- Noah 502yrs, Shem born --- 1558yrs
Genesis 11:26,32,12:4 --- Terah 130yrs, Abraham born --- 2008yrs
Genesis 12:4 --- Abraham leaves haran ,75yrs --- 2083yrs
Genesis 12:10,Exodus 12:40,Galatians 3:17 --- Israelites live in Egypt for 430yrs --- 2513yrs
1 Kings 6:1---Solomon builds the temple after reigning 3yrs--- 2992
1 Kings 11:42 --- Solomon dies --- 3029
Ezekial 4:4-6 --- Ruled by Kings,Jerusalem destroyed --- 3417
...This last event is known to have occurred around 588 bc. Our current calender assumes that Jesus was born in AD 1 - 2004 yrs ago . Since the calender has no yr zero, we can add the numbers to get a rough date of Creation. Age of the earth: 2,004 + 588 + 3,417 = 6,009 (give or take a few yrs). So basically we are living in the God of the Holy Bibles time clock as if we are just another generation no different from these earlier ones who experienced God alot more first hand. Seems like we are just more history unfolding. We got our "weeks" from his 7 day creation...Reminds me of a passage in the Bible..
"Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts. And saying, Where is the promise of his coming?, For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant, of that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water. Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed withwater, perished: But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgement and perdition of ungodly men. But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is long suffering toward us, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repetance. 2 Peter 3:3-9

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almeyda
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Message 41 of 301 (106718)
05-09-2004 1:03 AM


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The reason so many of you call Genesis a myth is because of Evolution. Because Evolution says something else and you believe it so Genesis must be false. Gods words in Genesis were written in plain literal language. The days were normal 24hr days. We have a 7 day week because of Gods 7 day creation.

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almeyda
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Message 43 of 301 (106728)
05-09-2004 2:57 AM
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05-09-2004 1:42 AM


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I get to the idea from the fact that Evolution is what leads many to believe Genesis is wrong. You arent worth debating because you believe Evolution is fact. Which must mean you dont believe the facts are being interpreted but are speaking for themselves. This "I" think is very naive. Yes the Bible was written by man by todays Holy Bible is the same in meaning to the original text

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almeyda
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Message 46 of 301 (106733)
05-09-2004 3:54 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Asgara
05-09-2004 3:02 AM


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Well you can read the Hebrew version if you dont want a translation or revised version of the Bible. God did not intend for the Hebrew,Aramaic or Greek people to be the only ones to read his word. The purpose of translation was to take his message across the world. So the question is was it translated accordingly?. Here are some interesting facts about the Bibles translation...
SCRIBES - Being a Jewish scribe was among the most esteemed & demanding roles in biblical times. A life long commitment was required by training starting at age 14 & was not completed until age 40
RULES FOR COPYING - Master scrolls of scripture had an incredible amount of rules and cross-checks to assure accuracy in copying
-Special surface preparation,inks
-Only masters used no copies of copies
-One mistake & entire scroll was destroyed (if a master)
INTERNAL CONSISTENCY - There are thousands of cross-referrances within the Bible. After hundreds of reviews by millions of scholars, the Bible is still considered 100% internaly consistant
EXTERNAL CONSISTENCY - Many skeptics & scholars have searched for inconsistencies of the Bible with the world. The Bible has always proved correct, sometimes before the world knew it. (Evolution contradicts the Bible but Evolution is not fact)
DEAD SEA SCROLLS & SEPTUAGINT - Dead sea scrolls buried for nearly 2000yrs were found to match the current scripture almost identically. Also the original Hebrew scripture was translated into Greek in 270 b.c (septuagint). This early record provides another cross-check to current scriptural records
The importance of the scrolls which lay untouched for nearly 2000yrs provides absolute assurance that the Old Testament has remanined unchanged since long before the time of Christ
The translation process was not a difficult one...
ORIGINAL TEXT- Translated:
SYRIAC---GREEK---LATIN - Translated:
VARIOUS COPIES NOT EXTANT - (More than 15,000 exisiting copies of various versions)
Any other book in the world would not have survived an inch of what the Bible has survived. Bernard Ramm spoke on accuracy & biblical manuscripts "Jews preserved it as no other manuscript has ever been preserved. With their massora (parva,magna & finalis) they kept tabs on every letter,syllable,word & paragraph. They had special classes of men within the their culture whose sole duty was to preserve and transmit these documents with practically perfect fidelity - scribes,lawyers,massoretes. Who ever counted the letters and syllables and words of Plato or Aristotle? Cicero or Seneca?"
Has anyone taken into account the Bibles survival through persecution?. The Bible has withstood vicious attacks of its enemies as no other book. Many have tried to burn it,ban it & outlaw it from the days of Roman emperors to present day Communist-dominated countries. No other book has been so chopped, knived, sifted, scrutinized and villified. What book on philosophy, religion, phychology or letters on classical or modern times have been the subject to such a mass attack as the Bible? with such venom and sketicism, with such thorougness and erudition upon every chapter,line & tenet?
But the Bible stands tall. Still loved by millions,read by millions & studies by millions,classed scientifically accurate by many scientists. It Is by far unique from all other books. Only a book written and inspired by God could achieve what the book has achieved.

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almeyda
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Message 65 of 301 (106954)
05-10-2004 12:48 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by SRO2
05-09-2004 10:51 PM


Re: Genesis should be treated just like any other theory that no longer serves a purp
This is true.. If we cant trust the Bible in the beginning ,why should we trust any of it?. I would never worship a book that can be reinterpreted according to mans theories or changed if it doesnt make sense. Or acceptable only with moral issues. I wonder if Jesus reserected? or if God exists?. If i cant trust my Bible in whatever it says then theres really no point. Lucky for us theres literal creationists showing us evidence that we can trust the Bible from the very first verse. Like i keep saying the age of the earth has not been proven. Evolutionists must have an old earth no matter what evidence is found or else evolution cannot have occured.

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almeyda
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Message 69 of 301 (107005)
05-10-2004 2:18 AM


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You must also ask yourselves this. Why arent all these other myths debating against evolution? Why is the debate Creation vs Evolution..Creation = Bible. The debate is between these 2 and these 2 only. If Genesis is just another myth why is it being supported by creationists & science?. Is it because this is the true account of what really happened? vs the account of what evolutionists think happened?.. Is this the battle that rages on? The truth is the Bible is unique in more ways than one. It shouldnt be dismissed as just another myth..In my opinion at least.
This message has been edited by almeyda, 05-10-2004 01:18 AM

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