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Topic: Endtime Prophecy and the European Union
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ringo
Member (Idle past 664 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 241 of 313 (700814)
06-07-2013 12:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 211 by Faith
06-06-2013 2:09 AM
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Re: Tower of Babel
Faith writes: He told Noah to multiply and replenish the earth. That's Genesis 9:1. The command was certainly conveyed to Noah's progeny.
Of course he told Noah and his progeny to disperse. You can't replenish the earth while you're standing on a mountaintop. But it's just ludicrous to suggest that He meant they should never congregate together. If He did, you'd better stop going to church. That's what the Tower of Babel was, the equvalent of your church building. The dispersion of languages is a separate matter.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9580 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 6.7
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Message 242 of 313 (700816)
06-07-2013 1:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 231 by Faith
06-07-2013 7:54 AM
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Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes: Look, I never said and none of the people I referenced said that the statue was a replica of the creature in Revelation, it's a simple equation of a woman on a beast with that idea. The statue could be a woman riding a lion, a woman riding a dragon, a woman riding a bear, the same idea would occur to us if not to you. How about a woman on a horse?
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 6.2
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Message 243 of 313 (700817)
06-07-2013 1:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 242 by Tangle
06-07-2013 1:28 PM
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Re: Symbolism of the European Union
I don't see anything that could be construed as matching revelations. This whole thing is beyond crazy. It seems unless it is a statue of a guy nailed to a cross it has some relation to end of times.
Europa and the Bull. Edited by Theodoric, : removed ? mark
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1697 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 244 of 313 (700846)
06-08-2013 2:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 242 by Tangle
06-07-2013 1:28 PM
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Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Not a horse, it would have to be a wild or dangerous beast.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1697 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 245 of 313 (700847)
06-08-2013 3:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 241 by ringo
06-07-2013 12:40 PM
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Re: Tower of Babel
The Tower of Babel seems to have represented pagan religion and what the scripture calls "will worship," that is self-invented worship, as well as the desire to climb up to God's seat rather than taking a humble role. It is certainly not the same as Christian worship. Never congregate together? The amazing things that get made up to contradict God. Dispersing throughout the earth would have been done in tribes after all, not as individuals. Good grief.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1697 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 246 of 313 (700848)
06-08-2013 3:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 239 by Panda
06-07-2013 9:50 AM
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Re: Symbolism of the European Union
We recognize it as reflecting the woman on the beast in Revelation whether you like it or not.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9580 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 6.7
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Message 247 of 313 (700849)
06-08-2013 3:24 AM
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Reply to: Message 246 by Faith
06-08-2013 3:05 AM
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Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes: We recognize it as reflecting the woman on the beast in Revelation whether you like it or not. Well, yes, of course you do. But it's not 'whether we like it or not', it's 'whether it is or not'. And according to your bible it quite obviously isn't. 'Cos if it was, it would look like this:
"And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast. . . ." (Rev. 13:1-4). Instead, it looks like a bull. Which makes it a land living, common-or-garden, male cow and not a mythical sea monster with seven heads and bits and pieces of lions, bears and leopards scattered about its person.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1697 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 248 of 313 (700850)
06-08-2013 4:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 247 by Tangle
06-08-2013 3:24 AM
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Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Well, now, Panda says I'm lying that we recognize it as the Revelation beast so you are in disagreement with him. And "whether you like it or not" includes your opinion that it doesn't look enough like the beast of Revelation to satisfy YOUR judgment. That's fine, but WE do find it very interestingly suggestive "whether you think so or not." Why do you all insist on making us think like you do? Leave it alone already.
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17912 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 6.7
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Message 249 of 313 (700851)
06-08-2013 4:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 245 by Faith
06-08-2013 3:01 AM
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Re: Tower of Babel
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The Tower of Babel seems to have represented pagan religion and what the scripture calls "will worship," that is self-invented worship, as well as the desire to climb up to God's seat rather than taking a humble role. It is certainly not the same as Christian worship.
Or in the context of the only image you have produced that actually references it, it refers to people speaking different languages. Now if you want to argue that God doesn't want people who speak different languages to work together, I guess you'd have a case, but I very much doubt that any of the traditions you favour interpret the Bible that way.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1697 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 250 of 313 (700852)
06-08-2013 4:53 AM
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Reply to: Message 249 by PaulK
06-08-2013 4:44 AM
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Re: Tower of Babel
Now if you want to argue that God doesn't want people who speak different languages to work together, I guess you'd have a case, but I very much doubt that any of the traditions you favour interpret the Bible that way. God wanted the people to disperse, He did not want them to "work together" at the specific project of "making a name for themselves" with attempts to reach the heights of God, and that's why He confounded their tongues. It did succeed in getting them to disperse. I should also mention finally that we consider that God began to repair the curse of the confounding of tongues at Pentecost.
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17912 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 6.7
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Message 251 of 313 (700853)
06-08-2013 5:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 250 by Faith
06-08-2013 4:53 AM
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Re: Tower of Babel
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God wanted the people to disperse, He did not want them to "work together" at the specific project of "making a name for themselves" with attempts to reach the heights of God, and that's why He confounded their tongues. It did succeed in getting them to disperse. I should also mention finally that we consider that God began to repair the curse of the confounding of tongues at Pentecost.
Then I guess you haven't got a case. If the obvious message is acceptable to you then imagining that there is some other meaning would require at least some supporting evidence.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3965 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 252 of 313 (700855)
06-08-2013 7:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 248 by Faith
06-08-2013 4:18 AM
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Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes: Well, now, Panda says I'm lying that we recognize it as the Revelation beast so you are in disagreement with him.
Does lying make you feel good or is it simply that being truthful makes you feel bad?
"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1697 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 253 of 313 (700895)
06-08-2013 8:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 252 by Panda
06-08-2013 7:29 AM
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Re: Symbolism of the European Union
If now you think I'm lying about what you think I'm lying about, what DO you think I'm lying about? From my point of view I'm not lying about anything. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3965 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 254 of 313 (700896)
06-08-2013 9:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 253 by Faith
06-08-2013 8:22 PM
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Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes: From my point of view I'm not lying about anything.
I don't believe you. And if I have to explain the obvious then I am probably wasting my time.
"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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ringo
Member (Idle past 664 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 255 of 313 (700918)
06-09-2013 3:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 245 by Faith
06-08-2013 3:01 AM
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Re: Tower of Babel
Faith writes: The Tower of Babel seems to have represented pagan religion and what the scripture calls "will worship," that is self-invented worship, as well as the desire to climb up to God's seat rather than taking a humble role. It is certainly not the same as Christian worship.
Moses climbed Mount Sinai to commune with God. Equating altitude with closeness to God is, in fact, a pretty universal idea. Your idea about lack of humility is what is self-invented.
Faith writes: Never congregate together? The amazing things that get made up to contradict God. Dispersing throughout the earth would have been done in tribes after all, not as individuals.
The whole dispersal business is something you made up. It isn't in the Bible. God told Noah to go forth and replenish the earth. That is not a command to disperse. It's just about using the available land.
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