How old did the Garden of Eden appear on Day 7?

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Hello Musicman,Thank you for your reply; and, The curious thing about this is that he planted a garden at all, don't you think? I mean, the creation was done, yes?

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"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, ..." Gen 2:1

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Earth was all good, yes? A sort of tropical paradise according to the general view. No problems.But Wait! What's this? Beginning at chapter two verse four we begin to encounter Problems: These are all Serious Problems. But then: So tell me: Which was it in the beginning? Tropical Paradise? Or, Desert Garden?You don't have to answer now. It's just something to think about. I must recommend you study Chemistry. A course in Soil Science would also be helpful. These enlightenments are required of Agriculture students and provide knowledge which you might find interesting and useful. Your argument is "circular." You assume that things were different then, and you conclude, that they were different based solely (apparently) on the assumption that they were different. Where does evidence and reason enter into the formula? Consider this: According to the scenario you suggest, God radically redesigns the entire foundation of existence (physics, chemistry, biology i.e. Natural Law) because a couple of Jews ate something non-kosher. How reasonable is that and what evidence do you offer in support of it? I agree. I doubt Adam gave it a second thought. I'm sure he was too busy ogling Eve.

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Since 1948, we have heard a lot about how the (Jewish) Israelis have turned the desert into rich farmland. The implication is that the Arabs had let the once-rich land go to wrack and ruin.A long time ago, I read somewhere (possibly James A. Michener's The Source) that the Arabs may have deliberately turned the farmland to desert.We Westerners (of European stock) have gone around the world converting every environment we found into an image of western Europe. Why would the desert-dwelling Arabs not be expected to convert other environments to what they were used to?Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The authors of the Bible seem to have been conflicted as to the relative merits of the (free) nomadic lifetyle and the (secure) agricultural lifestyle. Maybe our notions of the garden of Eden are just our projections of what we think paradise should be.Where I live, the buffalo used to roam - until European settlers plowed up the native grasses to plant European crops. Now, some agri-scientists are saying that much of the farmland should be returned to grassland (albeit for grazing European cattle). The nutrients (fertilizers) that were put into the soil have not succeeded in turning Canadian soil to European soil.So, maybe God injecting the necessary nutrients into the soil of Eden wasn't the best idea either.

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Yours is an interesting hypothesis but I'm not sure how it is relevant to the Eden story.In the Eden story it is made clear that masterful agriculture (relying on irrigation rather than depending on rain) is more to be desired than the sod busting, thistle and thorn bearing, realities of subsistence farming.The Garden of Eden story, among other things, contrasts the marvels of corporate agriculture with the agonies of the small family farm. In the end, the rebellious farmworker goes back to where he started: as a lump-o-dirt farmer in an nowhere land, without the benefit of the irrigation project. It's a Mesopotamian myth by origin and nature. But then the Jewish writer were themselves Mesopotamian at the time.So, no problems mate.

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The curious thing about this is that he planted a garden at all, don't you think? I mean, the creation was done, yes?

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No. ...Maybe. What if this garden that was planted was a prt of it? Say, the part where plants were introduced to the earth? How would we know?

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So tell me: Which was it in the beginning? Tropical Paradise? Or, Desert Garden?

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Paradise, unless you mean the part of the beginning before life got here. Even then, there was still lots of water.

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Why should the Garden of God be exempt over and above the balance of creation? If the soil of the Garden was especially holy and sacred then what does this say about the remainder of the globe? Or is the creation story NOT global in scope?

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The garden was exempt, you say, why? Because the tree of life was still there? No, that is not enough. What else you got?

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I must recommend you study Chemistry. A course in Soil Science would also be helpful. These enlightenments are required of Agriculture students and provide knowledge which you might find interesting and useful.

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Oh, I thought we were talking about the early earth, and what went on there. I guess you want to talk about now. Or were they the same?

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Your argument is "circular." You assume that things were different then, and you conclude, that they were different based solely (apparently) on the assumption that they were different. Where does evidence and reason enter into the formula? Consider this: According to the scenario you suggest, God radically redesigns the entire foundation of existence (physics, chemistry, biology i.e. Natural Law) because a couple of Jews ate something non-kosher. How reasonable is that and what evidence do you offer in support of it?

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Jews came much later, forget that. Were not Jews after Judah? I notice Adam could have eaten the tree of life and lived forever. This is what, the same as now? No. What is wrong with redesigning things? What of heaven? Is that redesigned? What of the new heaven that comes according to the bible, is that not redesigned? Lifespan of the ancients- is that like we see this day? No. Of course God changes things as needed. Look at the flood.

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I agree. I doubt Adam gave it a second thought. I'm sure he was too busy ogling Eve.

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Is that what they used to call it, ogling? OK. I guess he ogled the hell out of her.Edited by musicman, : No reason given.Edited by musicman, : No reason given.