Proof and analysis of Biblical end time accuracey [Synnegi]

DISCLAIMER: BEING THIS IS AN OLD THREAD, I NO LONGER HOLD SOME OR EITHER ALL OF THESE BELIEFS - UMLIAK explanation's title (its name) for reference: Synnegi
if you wish to refer to this post and entire explanation written here, use the term, "synnegi" which means, "cloud ground"About Earth and Heaven, and its destruction and fate, here are some explanations that will clarify what the Bible is prophesying:We watch the seasons and weather to tell us about the future, where as in autumn the earth below is dried out and dies (making things more flammable) and the sky is clothed in white clouds. The Bible tells us in three different instances about earth being round and a sphere. In one of these passages it tells us about the Lord sitting "enthroned above the circle of the earth". So the throne is heaven, the earth is the circle below, and so when Jesus is seated on the great white throne, or all the water has literally cycled into heaven where death--literally caused by sin--fuels earth's destruction (think about it, the ecosystem would collapse if all plant life died; and so mankind sinning, which causes death (I won't explain this now) would do likewise, destroying earth, heating it up like another layer in the earth's core, drying it out, and evaporating all the water into heaven as the heat increases continually) we now see that the lake of fire is earth now. So as Earth and Heaven are destroyed, heaven becomes the new earth, and there above heaven now is a new heaven. This is how you get a new heaven and a new earth. So earth becomes solid white cloud, as ice (the water in the clouds) expand to take over the greater surface area of the earth's spherical body, the sky; and as water it cannot contend with the fire below, as earth is now physically transformed into Jesus' great white throne; or, one huge cloud--as the Bible emphasizes the skies and clouds. So where death perpetuates deserts and sin causes death, then sin clearly destroys earth, whereas the sky above is filled with water to become one great cloud, as the earth below (us now; dust) is dried out like autumn with no rain or snow. So then heaven becomes the new earth's surface, whereas the earth now is darkened by all the water evaporated to the sky, and is clouded and burned--it is very dry, like dead leaves in autumn, and like the earth's core, except without any water, sinners will burn here, while the saved will inhabit the sky above, now one solid white foundation (Jesus' white throne). Earth would be a beautiful ball of white. Woe to you who burn here. Dry leaves burn quickly; and so does earth with no water. It becomes a lake of fire to the heaven above.About the body:
You were once a fetus, without open eyes to see your flesh, or knowledge of your growing body and life to come. In darkness you sat, believing you were one with your mom. Your mom fed you and gave you a body. Until you were born and became a being in light, with eyes to see your flesh, separating from your mom (shedding your mother's flesh). Likewise we are still these growing fetuses, fading into death, separating or shedding the earth's flesh. You exit the earth's womb, and open your spiritual eyes to see your spiritual body. Earth is like a mom; we sit in its body (the dust), and eat from it to grow and mature. Until we die and exit its womb (flesh body; made from and grown from earth) in which we move about now. We are fetuses with closed eyes. Not able to see ourselves. When we die, we are born, and we see the spirit body that is growing now.Likewise, as our mom's die, so dies the earth. The earth is born again in heaven as well; its surface becomes solid white, and the dust becomes fire. Another settled layer in its core (like dirt sinking in a glass of water, all the water will settle in the sky, as we can watch in this giant snow globe with clouds shifting about). Life and death is a transition. Good cannot contend with evil, so God being in heaven, for Adam to know both good and evil, he must first become or see evil. So evil corrupted the original creation; or, Eden. So then in order to know evil, but to remain with God, you must pass away from evil, for God is good; not evil. So you must die in order to have the knowledge of good and evil, but to also see God. For death creates heaven, and heaven is rebirth (for when a man dies, he is born into heaven--out of this present fetus; and when earth dies, it is reborn as heaven, where the present earth and life pass away into another layer of the core; or, fire, and then heaven about becomes earth's new surface or growing body--earth's mature body). So man died because of the knowledge of good and evil; God promised that. The creator promised death. So death is part of the creation. Death creates heaven, and death destroys the present earth. But life is good, and death is evil. So if earth became evil and took on death, what happened to the good and perfect world in which God reigned? Well, he settled or moved on up to heaven, where death transforms into--unless you are evil, and love evil more than God, and so your reward is the hellish earth now that, by your evil and sin (which causes death) leads this earth into fire.So whereas on the larger level God's will never fades; it is only made better, as heaven; on our level, sin leads to hell. So by sinning and not repenting you create hell. If you leave hell as an inheritance to the future generations, which could in fact include you should you reincarnate, then your soul's inheritance is this hell. For it is not God's will, but his punishment. Sin brings death, and so judgement. You must uphold perfection, for that is God's will. And to pass through this present creation and womb of death, to be born into heaven above (or, the clouds), you will know both good and evil, but without this present body and being up in heaven where evil is not present, you can be nearer to God for evil is not hiding you anymore. God is good, not evil.So you see life is a cycle of life and death; it's a perfect creation. Death creates heaven, but destroys earth, and so also creates hell on earth. So men's sin provokes anger, for it punishes the earth now, and creates hell for those who live (or, who are dying) here.This message has been edited by umliak, 12-18-2004 02:07 PM{Changed title per originators request. Also added some blank lines between paragraphs. - Adminnemooseus}This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 12-21-2004 08:15 PMThis message has been edited by umliak, 12-30-2004 14:49 AMThis message has been edited by umliak, 06-18-2005 01:11 PM

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I really don't know what to make of it either - the second sentence stopped me for a minute, though. "Round and a sphere" in three places? Really? We've been over this ground here before, and "sphere" just ain't there in the text. That's not a real good start for a "Bible accuracy" thread.

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Not "round and a sphere" repeated in three places, however, implied. Such as (I don't have a Bible on my lap right now, so I'll take your interest for granted and assume you have resources to find these passages and confirm them for yourself):"the earth takes shape like clay under a seal"
"the wind blows south and immediately heads back north; round and round it goes"
"he sits enthroned above the cirlce of the earth"Clay under a seal is clearly describing the earth as circuluar, whereas I personally think the sun may be, or part of, the seal. In Ecclesiastes we get the wind going round and round passage, which clearly (this is in chapter 1 of Ecclesiastes) is describing the earth as round. In fact Ecclesiastes itself is a very nice book, if you use it and try to understand it, praying for understanding and truth, Ecclesiastes can offer insight. The book itself talks about things being a "chasing after the wind", which means, if you chase the wind south, the earth only redirects itself back up north, because it's round.
Also, "sitting enthroned above the circle of the earth" tells us not only is earth circular, but the throne is similar to a photograph in space where you see earth as a circle. I believe the skies are thrones. In fact in Revelation it talks of Jesus being seated on a "Great white throne", or, heaven--above the circle of the earth. Whereas this supports my dry earth, enflamed as another part of the core, and the sky becomes one huge white ball, or cloud, as all the water settles there. Jesus sits up there, on the great white throne, and earth becomes hell. In fact in this part of Revelation, everything is laid out--which supports my message, as understanding given by God. It says that the old heaven and earth passed away and the sea exists no more (because the sea is evaporated into the sky to add to Jesus' throne, or, the heavens). And our heaven now becomes the new earth, or, earth's next surface, and our earth now is literally a dry lake, which I can see being set ablaze, as it is so painfully and completely dry.The Bible refers in many, many places of clouds. I believe much of the Bible is literal.

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Hi,
There's a whole lot of stuff in there that you take for granted and you do not attempt to justify your conclusions to others.

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For example, this particular claim is confusing:

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So you see life is a cycle of life and death; it's a perfect creation.

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This is difficult to accept, given that death was not originally part of creation, and only entered because of mankind's sin. Thus, you are claiming that God created sin as part of His perfect creation, this does not make sense at all.

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Well God is perfect, isn't he? Sin is a choice, and being that Adam was created as a part of God's perfect creation--whereas God is perfect, his will is perfect, and if he were not, he would be inconsistent. So as death is really rebirth, and God created death, death is part of the creation. In fact I think it was Jesus who said that the punishment for sin is death. So death is the punishment, and punishments are meant to teach you a lesson. So whereas God is stable and perfect, for he is not like man needing to change his mind, if his Eden and good and perfect world tastes sin, or evil, whereas God is the God of good, not evil, God tells us that good cannot contend with evil. So if our present earth is evil, and this earth is dying, then so are we evil, and dying. And if we die and death is a literal rebirth (we are fetuses growing in mother earth's womb), then earth's death is a rebirth. Earth is reborn as a perfect, clean, and eternal body (heaven; or, as I have explained, earth becomes a huge white cloud body, and the ground that we are at now becomes hell, for it has died).I'm not sure what all I have written in this thread, so I'll just say it: God is perfect, and through him all things were made. So to suggest that anything he does is not perfect or a part of creation would be calling him a liar; or, basically, you would be sinning, as this belief is a lie. So whereas God promised Adam death for his actions (and none of us really know much about the deepest truths to Eden, for if we did we would not be clouded with so much sin and lies), let not your emotions discourage you. God is the creator, and if death is a new part of God's creation, that it is certainly a part of the creation, meaning, death creates heaven. Since the punishment for sin is death, only when you die will you be good again, for Eden and the original creation was turned rotten, and so through death you pass from sin. See, sin is not God's will, instead it is punished, or destroyed. The earth was made evil, and still is, and so when you die, you get to see perfection, or paradise again, since you are still a part of earth. You (the growing spirit fetus to which you inhabit in eternal life, much like the body you inhabit now which was once a fetus in your mother) carry like a weight around with your spirit. But like water rises in this giant snow globe, so does good, and spirit. Good is not some theory, or idea, it is real. Physical possessions rot, and transform only to settle in the dirt, but the spirit of God and of truth endures forever.The Bible offers much insight, and Jesus will lead you to streams of living water. I wonder if this means our bodies will be made of the clouds, out of water. Much like we eat dirt and are made out of dirt, our present ground. Since this earth passes away however, and the water and clouds make up the new earth, or, our present heaven, then I wonder if our bodies will be made out of the clouds. Would be interesting, however, it is hard to know, since our present world is so plagued with ignorance and sarcasm. People more willing to be politically correct than to save their own soul, and find the truth.I had a dream last night watching this go into effect; dryness and deserts forming and water filling the sky. However, what I noticed at the end of this was the earth filling with water. I don't know what this means, if anything. But I can only imagine it has to do with global warming. Whereas when the snow melts you get spring, and summer, and then autumn--and of course winter again. So I believe that when the snow melts on the ice caps, earth's demise will come closer, as with spring comes autumn soon after, so if earth loses its snowcaps (think on a much older, and larger earthly scale), its winter season, or body, will have melted and passed away. The only thing left is autumn, and I believe this clearly only means that earth will just overheat and die away and become a dry autumn, whereas in autumn the sky fills with water and is clothed in white clouds. So then this autumn will do for earth what it is doing now in its timely birthpains and labor; it will give birth to the heavens--or, the new earth, since this present earth (or, the altitude or ground we are at now) will simply be dead. It will burn up and dry like the dry skin men hide with lotion in the fall and winter seasons.See, I believe earth itself is like a body. All its seasons and everything go about on a giant course. Everything is a sign of this, and that, and what is to come, or what once was. So if earth's winter (which gave it its snowcaps) are so important today, and when they melt like springtime, somewhere in some way God has predestined earth to pass away as it is in its present form. Heaven is not some dream-like state of mind and imagined realm far off in reality. We watch it being made. And God tells us how to get there, and he tells us how it all works, and what to do. But like he also told us and so we can see, much sin and evil lie to us and fill us with misguidance and whatifs.Earth is bigger than our bodies, and so one must recognize its health and being. If we grow and are born, and then live and grow are died (or, reborn from mother earth's body and womb which God feeds us), then what about earth? If earth grew and was born, and earth dies, what it is reborn as? Well, heaven. We see its clouds, we see its surface from space lifted high above the dirt. Do not separate yourself from God by imagining all the things you want. You are evil in an evil and sinful world. Serve God who gave you this world, and heaven, for when you die and are reborn into eternal life, then will what you desire be pure, and everlasting--not rotting.

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Eh, of course much of it is literal, it is trying to prove which parts are literal that is the difficult bit.

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For example, do you believe that Lamech lived for 777 years, 653 years, or 753 years?

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Or is Lamech's age one of those things we should not take literally?

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Brian.

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Forgive my vagueness. I meant much of the Bible is literal to earth now; or, the dying aspect which we are in now. Whereas a lot of it is literal to spirit and heaven...and many people go around thinking of things as being of invisible heavenly events correlating to earth which we will not see on earth, or in this planet but on some other plain (while this is true, I believe much of the Bible is physically involved AS WELL as being heavenly and spiritually). Such as the trumpets being sounded. I think they may be literal descriptions by a prophet who was seeing these visions. For instance, a mushroom cloud: it makes a loud sound, and is gigantic. It also looks similar to a trumpet; which a prophet, I propose, could have used to describe it. Something like a mushroom cloud (or huge bomb) exploding can have dramatic influences across the entire earth's body and health, changing the environment everywhere and for everything. Such a trumpet could then trigger heavenly plagues on earth.If one were to bomb the north pole, for instance, he could support in creating massive, massive dramatic problems everywhere. Even if one were to bomb the ocean with an atomic bomb, you could create tidal waves and do much damage. So why not suggest such bombs and events could trigger events the Bible tells us of? If you bomb and island, I believe this disrupts earthly health, in some way, and so can cause massive problems everywhere. The earth is one body. War here can affect social climates across the globe. So many things in the Bible are probably more literal than men take them to be.

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Again, we're hearing the same old stuff. Maybe you can help me on two little points.
First, give me one good reason I should accept the Bible over the Prose and Poetic Eddas or the Koran or any of the countless oral traditions about gods and creation and so forth.

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Second, show why a mythic mindset is valid in the first place. Why do we need gods?

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Well, first of all the Bible has been proven to be accurate, and this is my point in giving you reasonable ways of seeing this is understanding it using some insight I am giving you to things I've observed and learned through the Bible and from God (some information reguarding the End Times and of God that might help you in your faith, and understanding of the accuracey of the scripture, and meaning). Also, as I've shown, the Bible accurately describes the earth long before it was really known or believed by the world or people--or even proven, as by photographs and modern science (the world being round and circular). The accuracey of earth is a pretty strong pointer to supporting the Bible and its truth. And if you can believe the Bible as true, and it offers you truth and knowledge of God and heaven, and it also tells you the truth will set you free, then this to me in itself is a pretty strong point to choosing the Bible.Also, I have created a thread about an explanation to our inferiority to other lifeforms and spirits, created by God. If you read it, it might help explain why you need help. Also, there is one God, not "gods", so please do not try to entrap me. But for your own conscience, let me ask you: why do you need parents? Surely you could grow and mature without them--surely if you are so great as to not need God and his angels, then you could be born without a mother. No, that is nonsense. First recognize the truth of your nothingness, then ask reasonable questions. Likewise your place in society is dependent on other people as it stands. You learned from them, were milked and fed by them, you were birthed by them. So then, tell me why you as a spirit do not need other spirits, or God, to grow.This message has been edited by umliak, 12-22-2004 03:18 PM

Well if you are an Evolutionist, I would call you a hypocrite to discredit archaeological finds...and beyond that you are attempting by ignorance to discredit all the Biblical support and historical accuracey that is out there. There are many places you can read up on to find this out for yourself. You do not need me to do it, so I don't know why you insist on calling me a liar or telling me I'm wrong. But if you will surprise me, by proving to me that your purpose for arguing me is to gain knowledge, then take my advice and go in search for such places. This is not the place to be dropping such studies. In fact there are many other threads on this forum to discuss such matters.Since you feel threatened by this thread, however, I am pleased to know it has made some progress. Well as the first post in this thread shows, the Bible prophecies the earth's demise, and also explains with relevancy and reason the matters of life and death--and the Bible also offers truth and the Holy Spirit, through Jesus Christ our Lord.I can't say the Bible is superior, nor do I think I ever did...although I probably have some type of belief it is. However the Bible itself tells you what type of religion is good, or, acceptable to God--so for those born into other religions, it would in effect not necessarily condemn them, for the Lord Jesus Christ died (he took the guilt of all your sins, and became guilty himself and then died for it) for your sins, and offers forgiveness.So while you ask this question, I wonder if you have an interest in religion seeing as how you seem to plainly put out that you are not religious. So if you are not interested in religion, why ask irrelevant questions? And to further ask that you do not spam my thread, I remind you that I did not say the Bible is superior...especially if you wish to condemn your soul. By all means; you have free will. May God have mercy on such a sinner. Rude? You're the one who asked for me to tell you why you need help, and now you tell me I'm rude for giving you what you desire? If you do not want what you ask for, I would recommend being more careful. No, it isn't. But since you seem to be putting a lot of promise in my faith toward God, and are looking to increase your faith, believe me when I tell you there is one God. My thread about Evolution (if you do actually get around to reading it) gives insight into the greater world around us. So as soon as you read that, read this statement:
Like a dog's owner (a man) ruling over the dog, or like police ruling over civilians, the higher spirits around us guard and rule over us--such as God commands the angels. In all logic (since all science is based on logic), it would be unscientific to suggest there is not one God. All order leads up to one God--one creator. If you don't believe that, then it is impossible to talk to you about such matters. And so I would request you do not add replies to this thread--putting your mouth in places it does not belong. Yes, independently...I'm sure. And so you can also live without food and water? Food of which I remind you comes from other living beings. You also need warmth and to keep yourself healthy as you grow old and shed your earthly-womb (as you separated from your mother's body, so you will separate from the earth body). I ask that you consider truth before responding to spiritual matters...as in fact science uses observation and calls it truth. So please do not discredit religious truth and observation, as science is not superior either.In fact before you give me a reason why it is, tell me the last scientific achievement that enabled somebody to speak in foreign languages without studying them (these have been proven events; it's called speaking in tongues, and you can read up on documented events if you'd like...since you so desire us to read up on your accepted documents and events--please, do likewise before ignorantly telling me I'm wrong and accusing me of lying). Forgive me; you came across as trying to prove me wrong...I didn't know you really were curious about deeper understanding. There are many people out there looking to attack all faith by all means. I thought you were one of them...I suppose you are just hard-minded. I thought you were close-minded. Again, sorry if you in fact do accept God. How could I pursuade you? You accept white-washed information but show little faith. But if you must know from my experience, I can tell you that I have used the Holy Spirit and God to communicate telepathically with my pet cats. They'll usually stop what they're doing and start looking up and around as if to search for something...so I'm assuming the spirit descends on them to communicate to them. I'm not too advanced on this, nor know much about what it is, but it is my personal proof of spirit. In fact if the world had cared it could prove it for itself...I could show somebody, but I'm not about to compromise my faith to go on a wild-goose chase in order to proclaim the ability. I serve the Lord our God only. Well you obviously are looking for real testimonials, so I think I've already given you one. If you'd like to know what the spirit is, I'd suggest getting away from the computer and all sin. Go, ask the wild animals questions about the Lord. Ask God and he will tell you. Ask other lifeforms. I once was lost too.

Well, for the record the sky is not always blue. It's a part of creation, and if you'd like some insight, I'd suggest that you light a match and look at the flame. The blue is the sky, the orange is sunset. The sky really is a flame; it is fire. The Bible describes things on a more spiritual and deeper level--a truthful level. That's fine if Greeks said the earth was round; however our modern society didn't believe it until recently. So if the Bible said it too, then that is a pretty good reason to credit its accuracey. And while you do not believe some of the Bible, you say you do still believe some of it as well. So it is safe to say the Bible is accurate; not necessarily perfect (in your beliefs), but still proven accurate. No?And 1+1=2 is math; however, truth+truth=truth is faith--assuming you were not mislead by a lie, discrediting it, and making it truth+lie=conflict
So while you propose a mathematical system which God himself made, you fail to serve any part of further intelligent matters. You believe something so simple that you can prove it with apples (2 apples with 2 other apples makes 4 apples altogether), and turn from something that requires dedication.I don't know why you're participating in a Biblical thread which supports its accuracey in order to tell us believers we're wrong. But since for the sake of your dignity, I'll credit you enough to assume you're only doing this because you too are interested in God and are shown promise by my faith and are truly looking to increase your faith in God more (not trying to turn people into unbelievers or influence them to believing they're wrong--but instead you're really only trying to prove yourself wrong), then I'll advise for you (and this one is for you crashfrog) to keep reading the thread as it advances, and my replies, and I would request that you repent of your sins (vow to turn from them, to never do them again), and use the Bible for guidance. Do not add replies to the thread for it won't increase your faith. And as you learn more, and follow Jesus more, I promise you God will begin answering you and strengthening you. Humble yourself and rebuke sinners.

You haven't corrected me...and it hasn't been "common knowledge since" that the world is a sphere. Men believed the earth was flat, and square in some recent centuries. I can only speculate how far back these beliefs went...I won't jump to believe your Greek teaching here, especially since I know you're wrong about it being common knowledge since.

There is about is more faithful evidence of a flood than evolution. I'm assuming you follow evolution since you claim to be an atheist. No? In fact your beliefs are much less developed than theology. You drift along, as Jesus would say, like a tossing wave of the sea foaming up your shame--foaming with beliefs here and there, finds of this and that, all in the direction of nothingness. You admit you believe in nothing, and yet try to break others down to follow the same void; or, pit--if you will. I ask, why? And you are not? As I said, you believe in nothing and for some reason attempt to continue this nothingness and the end that is your lie. If you do not feel threatened, for what purpose is it that you continue? Okay, well for the record you probably didn't know that the Koran and many other religions are related to Christianity. So while you ask questions, you deny the relevance of their relation to reality. Why do you further burden on areas you yourself have never entered? Especially when you admit now that you are only here to annoy--since you show no interest, and admit you are stubborn and refusing, yet worship your belief of nothing (if that were true). The fact that you bother. You want another analogy? Like a maggot that cannot see a man, though both exist and are living, and like a maggot has no eyes to see, so a man is a maggot to higher beings, with no 'eyes' to 'see' them, though both exist. If you were a maggot you probably wouldn't be aware of humans, so what makes you so great a human so as to be an atheist?Here's another analogy: like a fetus you were with closed eyes in the womb, and one with your mother, so you are a fetus still with closed eyes in earth's womb, whereas at death you exit the womb (your body) to open your spiritual eyes--like you opened your eyelids at birth to discover this current life, and your human body. Alright You credit scientific textbooks, but discredit spiritual testimony. You need rescued. You believe you are your body, though if you lost your arm you would not cease to exist. You can take foods out of your diet to change the composition of your physical body, yet if you take your entire physical body out of your diet, you believe you are no more. I would show you the Biblical passage, but while you can accept Newton's Laws and many other historical claims, you cannot accept anything beyond your realm of witness. A good website for you would be: Home - Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife I didn't say I was a psychic, but by projecting the animal's spirit I can get a response--while it was licking itself. This seems scientific to me, so go ahead and laugh at what is real. I'm sure your evidence of far off galaxies provided by other people is so much more serious than real spiritual evidence, and hope for your soul. At this rate you appear to be willing enough to persecute Jesus for commanding a tree to wither...since your bubble permits the casting of stones. A communication between two life-forms present by each other seems more realistic than some of the things going on today that weren't around 100 years ago. Well I have done it with three different cats--my mom owns five cats. I can't go near the other two, they're fraidy-cats, and my mom's ex-girlfriend's who owned them before she died. I don't bother with them, so don't ask me why I failed. And, anyway, it can convince other people if they were willing to see for theirself. You're admitting you don't believe your eyes? How then can you be an atheist? I am not a cat psychic, but I'm glad you corrected yourself so as to admit you would believe your eyes--for this is your basis. Although in all truth, I would tell you that you are blind--and so am I. Stand at a distance, and as you watch the animal, ask it questions about the Lord. Such as, "As a creature of God, and a witness of the Lord, in my time of distress and weak-faith, tell me what you know. I seek only the truth, for the truth will set me free."And so I tell you the truth, you will receive all that you ask, but you must desire the truth and eternal life--as it belongs to God, not to you. The more you seek the truth and God, the more God will give you. But do not seek material things to possess, or status and power, for these belong to God, and afterall you were born naked and poor, and so you die naked and poor. So leave on earth what is part of earth, and give to God (yourself) to what is God's. So you are here to make war against God?

Of course I believe this. In fact the flame follows the sun, as of a comet (an object science teaches you about), objects burn up in the atmosphere when falling to earth, and beyond all else the core of the earth is considered hot and molten, and without the sun the earth would freeze. So to suggest the sky is not a flame would be foolish. Moreover, my beliefs have much relevancy to this statement--as well as my initial post in the thread. Tell me what puzzles you. Certainly not. Why should I provide links to things you people have access to? You act as if you're in the blue and have no knowledge or awareness of the Bible and all of its impact and historical relevancey in society, and all those attempting to convert people into believers by proving its accuracey, and so while you act as if you're so uneducated on the matter you become a hypocrite by arguing I am wrong as if you know everything on the matter. A few posts up one of the Admins kindly (bless his generousity) provided you with those links, and still you attempt to prove I know nothing.I don't believe all believers and those who discuss it should have to summon other people's investigative studies on the Bible to appease your doubts. Why should I have to go in search of things and links to things to prove that I know of them? But since you will, then so will I:http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/b_proof.shtml

By all means, then stop; as you have decreed.

He asked for evidence, and then said there is no evidence so I provided a link against his claims. And for the record the site does involve many Biblical interpretations and accounts. It even discusses the silver-cord (or, umbelica cord) of your spiritual body linking you to the physical body (or, earth womb). The silver cord is also listed in Ecclesiastes.So while many accounts are unorthodox, I don't discredit the site entirely. But that's not the point. But for the sake of peace, I will leave him be, for now.

All believers must provide proof and backups to everything they say or believe in? Likewise all you have to do is deny them on the basis you ignore or don't believe in them. I didn't ask for the debate, you guys brought it up. If you don't credit my opinion, then don't post in this thread. It's that simple. I've done enough 'debating' as it is. And I'm not a reknown Bible scholar, there are studies out there to support it just like there are studies to support your beliefs (evolution). And if evolution isn't a belief why is it referred to as Darwinism?

Thank, this is my point. I could very easily provide proof, such as the second book of Esdras when God is revealing things to him, he speaks at one point of the earth's plates that move about. This is a very recent discovery, and yet the second book of Esdras (Apocrypha, should have been included in the Bible, but was removed for some reason; Lord knows why) tells of this, as well as answers many other things that I could go on listening, but I see no reason why I should have to support their ruthless trashing of the thread by agreeing to compromise the very topic; or point of me posting this.I fail to see any place in the License Agreement that I agreed to when registering to the forum that requires me to act as a slave to irrelevant things for those looking to misguide a topic.

I supported claims, people are asking me for proof to things I didn't claim, and then asking for things they admit they are unwilling to accept, acknowledge, nor that they think exist. They ask me to prove there is a God beyond evidence they'll accept. If God had a picture, men would worship its camera. If they can't stay on topic, I find it disrespectful to all participants that they speak. To backup claims? Men can start threads without ever posting again. I didn't agree to be forced to speak, even though I do speak; and I speak respectfully not out of boundaries, but in a thread I started. I have made no unfounded claims but started a thread that has to do with scientific analysis of Biblical accuracey; and yet while this is so, men go out of their way to ignore this and be off-topic by demanding I show proof the Bible is 100% (something I never declared), and proof of things irrelevant--and now you take it a step further by attempting to persecute me for not enslaving myself. Do you not understand? I posted stuff in response to people speaking off-topic. To further make my stance clear to you, a response to people talking to me does not mean I am required to follow them off-topic. In fact that would make me look like a fool; and that's what I believe. I suppose you now need a link to something to support my belief that this makes me look like a fool? If you wouldn't mind, I would ask that you would go in keeping with the topic and add something constructive. So far I've only been summoned to have to defend myself, and as the Bible tells us, "do everything without arguing or fighting." So please stop asking me to argue so as to tell you you're wrong. I respect you.