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Author Topic:   Why, if god limited man's life to 120 years, did people live longer?
Rahvin
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Message 122 of 230 (438782)
12-06-2007 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by imageinvisible
12-06-2007 9:04 AM


Re: Hmmm
And no one has lived past 120 yrs. old since Moses died.
You are mistaken.
quote:
The longest unambiguously documented lifespan is that of Jeanne Calment of France (1875-1997), who was aged 122 years.
  —"Wikipedia"
From here.
And she's simply the oldest documented and confirmed human being.
Apparently, not only did Noah and his family get some sort of exclusion to God's normally unbendable rules, some random lady from France got special consideration as well.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Rahvin
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Message 123 of 230 (439257)
12-07-2007 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by imageinvisible
12-06-2007 9:04 AM


Re: Hmmm
No reply yet, imageinvisible? If the Bible said that no human can live past 120, (not counting Noah for the sake of the argument), and a human being in actual, documented fact did live past 120 in recent living memory, does that not mean that the Bible cannot be infallible?
Further, doesn't this prove that you started with the conclusion that the Bible is infallible, and made a claim (that no human being since Noah has lived past 120 years) without first doing even the most base research? I mean, I found that Wiki article in under a minute.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Rahvin
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Message 126 of 230 (439295)
12-08-2007 4:13 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by IamJoseph
12-08-2007 4:04 AM


Re: Hmmm
Oct. 25, 1404 BCE/ Mars passes Earth 70,000 miles away, causing a 5 degree Polar shift and longer days on Earth.
Creation Research Society and Creation Science and other Creationism sites that bend time
Assuming for the sake of argument that this is true, it's still irrelevant. Making a day slightly longer (say, perhaps a day was 23 hrs previously) would not make the passage of the Earth around the Sun any longer. It just changes the amount of days it takes to do so. What you're trying to propose is that, by slowing down a clock, the passage of time actually changes as well.
That's retarded.
If you change the length of a ruler, I don't become any taller or shorter. Measurements are subjective.
And even if your misinformed idea did lengthen years along with days, that would mean that 122 modern years would be even longer than the same amount of time prior to this supposed polar shift.
In other words, it makes your position even worse off.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Rahvin
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Message 128 of 230 (439368)
12-08-2007 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by sidelined
12-08-2007 9:55 AM


Re: Hmmm
His link leads to a site I'd expect to find talked about on Coast to Coast or some other such UFO/psychic/ghosts/conspiracy program. In fact, I believe I once heard a program talking about something along these lines - the "evidence" was the running theme of disaster in ancient texts. Somehow natural disasters from legends and myths = ZOMG A PLANET MUST HAVE PASSED CLOSE THE THE EARTH!
Sounds about right up IaJ's alley, but certainly not worthy of anything more than a good laugh from rational people.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Rahvin
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Message 130 of 230 (439721)
12-10-2007 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by imageinvisible
12-09-2007 9:30 PM


Re: Hmmm
Isaiah 53:10b When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see [His] seed, He shall prolong [His] days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand. 11 He shall see the labor of His soul, [and] be satisfied.
"J'ai été oubliée par le Bon Dieu!" ("I have been forgotten by the Good Lord!")
It sounds like you're trying to say that faith in Jesus can make your life longer. Is that what you're trying to say? Please, give us some actual comments in your own words rather than a bare Bible quote - it helps everyone figure out exactly what you're saying.
Assuming that IS your point...you said just a few posts ago that "no one has lived over 120 years since Noah." I take it you're retracting that statement?
Also...most people don't live remotely close to 120, even if they are Christians, so it doesnt seem apparent to me that your above reference could possibly be speaking about the previously set 120-year limit to human lifespans. I think your argument is flimsy at best.
Jeanne Calment, the 122-year-old woman, attributed her longevity to "olive oil, which she said she poured on all her food and rubbed into her skin." See here. Wouldn't someone who had made "His soul an offering for sin," have mentioned God when asked a question like that? The French quote at the end of your post was by Jeanne, but the vast majority of people who make similar statements don't even live to 100, let alone 120. Is God so capricious as to allow his most devout followers to die at an average age in the 70s, but occasionally allow a single, random believer to live past his imposed life limit?
Is it not a fact that the average lifespan in a given area tends to increase with better medical care, and has nothing to do with the religion of the population?
Is it not a fact that when extremely devout Christians eschew medical technology and care in favor of "faith healing," they tend to die, and not God does not in fact "prolong [their] days"?
Most importantly, "prolonging his days" doesn't have anything to do with the lifespan limit previously set. It sounds to me like it refers to living more of the potential 120 years (which Ill give you just for the sake of the argument, despite the fact that I find the claim that Christians live longer than non-Christians as implied in your quote to be absurd).
The fact is, the Bible says God limited the human lifespan to 120 years.
The fact is, it has been verified beyond doubt that people can and have lived beyond that limit.
It is therefor a fact that the Bible cannot be inerrant when it states that the human lifespan is limited to 120 years.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Rahvin
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Message 131 of 230 (439918)
12-10-2007 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by imageinvisible
12-09-2007 9:30 PM


Re: Hmmm
I hate to bump, but I'd really like to see a reply from imageinvisible.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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