The Prophecy of the 70 weeks of Daniel

That is another thread, but if you were insane enough to try to back up your drivel, you would get just as trounced there as here.

Supposedly related to Israel, the temple, the Messiah, and etc? That might take a book. I think it is clear that you can't put the 70 times seven years (490) ending anywhere but right at the feet of Christ. Neither can you produce a sanctuary that gets destroyed by the prince that came, who was after the third kingdom of Daniel! Or etc.But if you think you can, time is a wasting here, get on with it, man.

starman,my argument is posted.

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Then you have nothing at all.Questioning a historical Jesus is a dead duck."The "proof" for the existence of Christ can be found in three main sources. The argument for the existence of Jesus is strengthened because the person of Jesus Christ is mentioned by independent Christian, Jewish, and Roman sources. Obviously the person of Jesus is mentioned quite thoroughly in the New Testament and other early Christian writings but Jesus is also mentioned by the Jewish historian Josephus. The fact that Josephus, a practicing Jew and a man who was not actively involved Christian circles and not part of the early church mentions the existence of Jesus of Nazareth in his writings definitely gives credence to the argument for the existence of Jesus Christ. In turn, another of the most credible arguments for the existence of Jesus Christ are the writings of the Roman historian Tacitus. Tacitus was a Roman historian who also mentioned the existence of the crucifixion of Jesus in his writings. In turn, the writings of Tacitus are viewed by historians as crucial to not only understanding early Middle Eastern history but also what we know of early Germanic tribes in Europe. In essence, while the divinity of Jesus is not something that can be proven historically, the historical community is quite sure that a person named Jesus did live in the Middle East two thousand years ago and can look to independent historical sources to strengthen their argument."Is there any proof that Jesus was a real person?Questioning that He lived at the time the 69 weeks were up, and died is not an option. You might as well talk about last thursdayism.Or that the sanctuary did get destroyed, ask around, a little thing called history. 70 AD.What's left? That Babylon was first, then Medo Peria, then Greece then Rome?? That is no secret. That Daniel's visions made that clear? I don't see anyone making any case at all against that. Someone piped up about trying to have Greece exist after it was done and gone as the major Israel area world power. That was dealt with, and was a weak and convoluted little thing anyhow.Edited by starman, : No reason given.

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The legs, and toes cannot be welded into being the kingdom
that came before them. That is crystal clear.

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And that's got nothing to do with what I'm saying. Can you stop begging the question.

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No more than Messiah was cut off in Greece!

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Of course neither of the possible messiah's I mentioned were cut off "in" Greece. THe important events happened right there in Jerusalem.

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Nor the temple was destroyed by Greece!

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It was, however raided and looted - doubtless with significant damage. And as I have pointed out, Daniel has the Temple in action after the "destruction".Rome, on the other hand, didn't destroy the Temple in the timescale you want. By your count the 70 weeks were up then. Nor did they errect the "abomination that causes desolation". Antiochus did that.

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Nor the prince that came was from Greece!

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Depends on how you want to define "comes from Greece". The Seleucid, Antiochus IV, is that prince.

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Nor is present Europe, the remnants of the Roman empire, one day to be the ten toes, coming from Greece!!!

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Nor has that got anything to do with Daniel's prophecy. The only thing that is to follow the 4th Empire is the Kingdom of God.And present day Europe doesn't even come from Rome (it concludes significant territories that were never Roman, excludes important territories that were Roman, and lets not forget those people living in former Roman territories whose ancestors came from outside the Empire).

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Greece was in the one place I think you

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mentioned for a reason. If you miss that, too bad, the

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rest of the biik, and bible give uncontortable context!!

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Certainly that context is uncomfortable for you. Because you don't pa any attention to it.

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The reason Greece was mentioned was to give a geographical

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location for the important devil man king of the latter

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days.

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No it wasn't. And if you'd read it you would know that. The king referred to is to rise in the "latter part..." of the time of the four Hellenistic kingdoms that rose from Alexander's Empire. Those have come and gone. This prophecy cannot be fulfilled now or in our future, as you want to believe. The Bible contradicts you again.

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Harping of that as if it was anything more is impossible,

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with any reasoned and balanced use of the rest of the

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bible!! Nice try.

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Of course it's possible. The Bible is a collection of works, and despite the best efforts of the editors who selected the manuscripts it is not fully consistent. There's simply no requirement for Daniel to agree with other "End Time" prophecies - or anything wrong in pointing out that it does not.

I believe it to be:
Babylon
Media
Persia
GreeceThe other possibility I have seen suggested is:
Babylon
Media-Persia
Macedonia
Successor StatesAs I point out the context provided by the other prophecies clearly identifies the 4th Empire as Greek. That is the only Empire mentioned in the text as being divided.

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Prophecy: A prediction made by a prophet.

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The next step is to verify the prophecy which means to use real world evidence not mythological evidence to verify it.

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I agree. I nominated two examples. Give some other ones?

Yes, Jesus did exist, he is mentioned in coded form in jewish writings, due to the threatening scenario at the time, but none of the NT claims about Jesus are historical. The pre-islamic arabs also rejected the NT premise. The Josephus passage is not a valid source. There is no prophesy I know of, from the NT, which was ever valided historically. Correct me if this is wrong.

You are confusing historical existence with the claims made in the NT. There was no Jesus - but there was a Joshua Ben Joseph, who had a very small following, namely with the Nasserite and Ebonite Jews - and this was only as a Rabbi. Things became magnified after Paul, and when his doctrine surfaced with the west.Here, 100s of gospel writings popped up - with ever evelated claims, and this belief swept the west like wild fire: they saw not only the OT in their pockets, but also all their previous doctrines used as its sequal. Almost all of the west, and all the nations they conquered, were converted by force. Millions were massacred. For today's hijacked christians, a preferred lie transcends a disdained truth.

I'll try again.What is the oldest extant text of Daniel?

Could you name a couple of these? Or the OT for that matter.Plus, Jesus did not fulfil a single messianic prophecy, strange how Christians ignore that.

See Daniel 5:28. Daniel to King Belshazzar of Babylon: "....thy kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and the Persians."I remember in high school way back in the 1940s it was common knowledge that the Medo-Persian world class empire was one shared empire.Macedonia? Alexander the Great saved Macedonia from falling. After Alexander's death, Macedonia survived for a spell, but never as a world class dominating empire. Rome continued to prevail to become the 4th world class empire after the Greek (which included Macedonia).Paul, your argument would obviously be considered bogus to any Daniel scholar who can read. Daniel's 3rd kingdom is clearly the Greek empire and the only world class empire to follow was the Roman so Daniel's un-named 4th empire has to be Rome, not Greece.

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The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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See Daniel 5:28. Daniel to King Belshazzar of Babylon: "....thy kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and the Persians."

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Hardly conclusive.

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I remember in high school way back in the 1940s it was common knowledge that the Medo-Persian world class empire was one shared empire.

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And that "common knowledge" was wrong. The Persians were subjects of the Medes, rebelled and took over their Empire. [quote] Macedonia? Alexander the Great saved Macedonia from falling. After Alexander's death, Macedonia survived for a spell, but never as a world class dominating empire.
[/qupte]The Macedonian empire referred to IS Alexander's Empire. You might think that he only "saved Macedonia from falling", but even the author of the Book of Daniel knew that Alexander created a great Empire, that was broken up on his death.

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Paul, your argument would obviously be considered bogus to any Daniel scholar who can read

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Provided you exclude the mainstream scholars who actually produce the lists.And I'll note that you have yet to actually address my arguments.

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Daniel's 3rd kingdom is clearly the Greek empire and the only world class empire to follow was the Roman so Daniel's un-named 4th empire has to be Rome, not Greece.

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If that was true then you'd be dealing with my arguments. And you're not doing that.The evidence form Daniel clearly indicates that the 4th Empire is Greek and that the End TImes are the times of Antiochus Epiphanes. Daniel 8 is a dead give away. Even without that the fact that Daniel describes the Greeks - and no-one else - in terms which match the 4th Empire would be a very strong point.Are you going to deal with these ?

Starman, Yosef Ben Matityahu and Cornelius Tacitus did not actually know the supposed Jesus Christ and as such are not actual witnesses to the supposed life of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ's supposed life was centuries later. Your prophesy in Daniel 9:24-27 is limited to 70 weeks which was centuries earlier than 70ad. Irrelevant to Daniel 9:24-27.

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IAJ,there is nothing more to prophecy.

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To believe in "Force" is to believe in Love, Wisdom, Intelligence, Force, Agility, and Charm.