The Prophecy of the 70 weeks of Daniel

The temple destruction has nothing to do with daniel or the NT: it was first prophesized by King Solomon, who made adequate preps to conceal the Arc in anticipation of it. Danial appeared after the Babylonian destruction of the temple, so this is hardly a prophesy.Nor can it be seen otherwise with the NT being a blatant retrospctive input: that there was an on-going war with Rome, and it had a non-negotiable do or die outcome for Judea, is not exactly prophesy but bordering on the superfluous.There is a downgrading of the meaning of a prophesy here - with no criteria being imposed. The fact is, whatever is alligned with a precedence occurence cannot be deemed prophesy; prophesy is an over-turning of nature. That is why Israel's return is marked by an event which never occured before - the return of a dead/dorment language after 2000 years - the max being 120 years elsewhere, and still not prevailing. A language is a life force of its own - its return, when alligned with an attached paradigm - is outside of a natural occurence. Thus the word 'SURELY' in this prophetic verse of the OT.

If it is so clear, how come there are at least 4 different solutions that are mutually exclusive to each other by Christians, not to mention the various Jewish ones?

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As I said, in order to get the whole picture right one must apply the info given in the entire sequence of visions.

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That's exactly what I do. And Daniel 8 shows that the last Empire is Greek.

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Go to Daniel 7:24 where you find that the 10 horns of the 4th beast, i.e the same beast (empire) which is destroyed by the little stone of Dan 2 are 10 kings within that 4th empire.

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So there are ten Kings within the Greek Empire. In fact it's about the Seleucid line and Antiochus' usurping the throne (which is why three horns are "pulled up by the roots" - Antiochus disposing of rivals with a better claim).

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These 10 kings are clearly future to emerge in the end times (modern times)...

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Then you reject Daniel 8, which clearly places the End Times long ago.

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So you like to use Greece as the fourth kingdom, to try to make God look silly. Hope you don't think it is in any way meaningful. The cross checks are abounding, the visions are not just in one place, to be able to be abused by folks like you. Sorry.

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I'm not trying to make God look silly. And if I was I couldn't do better than you. I mean I point out that an article that you cited incorrectly claims that the Jewish year is 360 days long to try to fiddle the figures. And you then quote several paragraphs agreeing with me that the years CAN'T be meant to be 360 daysWhat it really going on is that there are a lot of people who very badly want Daniel to be a valid prophecy of the end of the world. And they make up all sorts of rubbish to try and avoid the fact that that isn't true. And what they say doesn't stand up to examination. Rome is long gone. It cannot be the last Empire.

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The kingdoms are simply not a burning issue. Denial does not give your claims credence. One kingdom followed the other. Greece was not the final one, and is not worthy of wasting time pretending it is some sort of player.

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Be honest.

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Here's the honest truth. Greece is the 4th Empire. Daniel is about Antichius Epiphanes and his actions as described in Maccabees (esp. 2 Maccabees). It is not about Rome, or the present time at all.If I said otherwise I'd be lying.

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starman, You do realize that claims are nothing without evidence to support them. Please also remember when you interpret issues you have to weigh all the evidence from all related categories not just evidence to support your silly little imagination. We're dealing in a 70 week period in reference to Daniel 9:24-27. Please do not start using your imagination when dealing with reality. What you do not realize is that we're all believers but however some of us choose to follow reality instead of dreams. You made the claim in your original post which directed the subject matter into this thread.Edited by Force, : grammar

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IAJ, You really like to complicate things that do not need to be complicated.Prophecy: A prediction made by a prophet.The next step is to verify the prophecy which means to use real world evidence not mythological evidence to verify it. The Bible is a anthology redacted due to many different cultures and as such you can't use it alone to verify a prophecy. The other issue is that the Bible is errant which means we need to figure out why it is errant before we can actually consider the evidence that may be contained in it. You really need to learn something about reason and logic before you start debating theological issues kid.

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The temple destruction has nothing to do with daniel or the NT: it was first prophesized by King Solomon, who made adequate preps to conceal the Arc in anticipation of it. Danial appeared after the Babylonian destruction of the temple, so this is hardly a prophesy.

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You seem to refer to the destruction hundreds f years before the seventy times seven year business! The bible has that civered six ways from Sunday as well. Do you really need us to bring that out?? That is another amazing story, absolutely astounding, how God told them details of the captivity, destruction of the temple etc.The temple destruction I think you should be looking at is the one after Messiah came and was cut off. The prince that came indeed dis just that." 9:25 "Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.26 After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary."I cannot think of any way to make that any clearer! Some people just choke on the obvious for some reason, usually, to explain away God, or the bible, or, more specifically, the Messiah that came when He came, where He came. No can do.

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Nor can it be seen otherwise with the NT being a blatant retrospctive input: that there was an on-going war with Rome, and it had a non-negotiable do or die outcome for Judea, is not exactly prophesy but bordering on the superfluous.

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Absolutely ignorant thing to say, because Israel had no way to rebound from the captivity of Babylon, unless God saved them, and restored them. Other wise there would be no one to fight Rome!! The length of the captivity was given precisely as well!!! Another proof, thanks for that.You insinuating that Messiah could come just on cue, as some routine luck thing, and the subsequent events of the prophesy (temple destroyed, etc) is ludicrous.

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prophesy is an over-turning of nature. That is why Israel's return is marked by an event which never occured before - the return of a dead/dorment language after 2000 years - the max being 120 years elsewhere, and still not prevailing. A language is a life force of its own - its return, when alligned with an attached paradigm - is outside of a natural occurence. Thus the word 'SURELY' in this prophetic verse of the OT.

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Gibberish! Launguage smanguage. years, man, and specific ones foretold, with the associated events, kings, etc, is where it's at.Edited by starman, : No reason given.

To what?? So many years to such and such events, and people, and kingdoms is pretty clear.As for the little attempts to ignore the four kingdoms, and try to keep Geece in there at the end, that is cherry picking nonsense. No matter who does it. The whole book has to be considered, in any honest look at what is going on.

The legs, and toes cannot be welded into being the kingdomthat came before them. That is crystal clear.No more than Messiah was cut off in Greece! Nor thetemple was destroyed by Greece! Nor the prince that camewas from Greece! Nor is present Europe, the remnants ofthe Roman empire, one day to be the ten toes, coming fromGreece!!! Greece was in the one place I think youmentioned for a reason. If you miss that, too bad, therest of the biik, and bible give uncontortable context!!The reason Greece was mentioned was to give a geographicallocation for the important devil man king of the latterdays.Harping of that as if it was anything more is impossible,with any reasoned and balanced use of the rest of thebible!! Nice try.

Real world evidence? The santuary really was destroyed, by a kingdom which really did exist, after Jesus, who really came in the real world was actually kiiled. All this in real years, just as the prophesy, given long ago in this same real world points out.

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You do realize that claims are nothing without evidence to support them. Please also remember when you interpret issues you have to weigh all the evidence from all related categories not just evidence to support your silly little imagination.

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My imagination has squat to do with the clear fulfillments of this prediction. I never brought Israel back together, gave the order that they could rebuild, and sent a savior after so many years as is written. Or thousands of other things recorded!! Nothing silly at all about a demo from the master of the universe, that can only be explained bu One that was there ahead of time.

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We're dealing in a 70 week period in reference to Daniel 9:24-27. Please do not start using your imagination when dealing with reality.

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Where the week represents, of course a group of seven. In this case, only years can apply, and obviously did apply, and does apply. If you ignore the rest of the bible, and history, to try to make the sevens anything else, you get lost in a limbo land where up is not up, Israel is not Israel, the temple is not the temple, and where all that matters is your pipe dreams.Better to look at what really went on, and what was said, and how it matches to a tee.

Paul, which kingdom empire in the Daniel prophecies is the third Empire?. Name it.How does the sequence of Daniel's Empires go beginning with Babylon? Name them. Edited by Buzsaw, : Fix quote

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starman, There is no evidence that Jesus existed. You are insane. No different than IAJ.

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starman, The prophecy is limited to 70 weeks for fulfillment. You really are silly. You take the prophecy outside of the context. Why don't you show me these other scriptures that are supposedly related to Daniel 9:24-27 and lets examine them. I bet it will show you naive and silly.

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