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johnfolton 
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Message 151 of 206 (175560)
01-10-2005 3:53 PM
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01-10-2005 2:22 PM


Re: Makes No Sense
Abshalom, It says that Joesph went to Bethlehem because of his lineage to the line of King David, this became his city to report. I agree Mary came along to fullfill prophecy. You also forget the children of the Lord Jesus age fullfilled yet another prophecy. kjv Jeremiah 31:15.
It makes sense they would have a census after they made this decree to tax the whole world, but appears to be two different events. You also discounted that the starting of the calendar is believed to of errored up to 6 years which accounts for Herod being alive during this taxation event, and dying shortly thereafter.
It sure wouldn't make sense for Joseph to move to Bethlehem in Judah to be a part of a census there given Herod's son knew of the prophecy of the king being born out of Bethlehem. The reason they fled was Joesph was warned by an angel, then soon after, all sons were killed of the Lord Jesus age and along the coast. kjv Jeremiah 31:15 & Matthew 2:16-18.
The Gospel of Matthew interestingly agrees that Herods son took over ruling Judah, which is likely why Joesph was warned of God in a dream so he turned aside into parts of Galilee. kjv Matthew 2:22.

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Message 152 of 206 (175568)
01-10-2005 4:16 PM
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01-10-2005 12:32 PM


Brian, The King James Version Strongs says this particular phrase of words can mean " prophet". kjv Judges 13:5 is another one of those parallel prophecies, in regards to Jesus being a Nazareth from the womb. Mary was a Nazarene by birth, from Galilee.
kjv Mat 2:23 And2532 he came2064 and dwelt2730 in1519 a city4172 called3004 Nazareth:3478 that3704 it might be fulfilled4137 which was spoken4483 by1223 the3588 prophets,4396 He shall be called2564 a Nazarene.3480
G4396
προφήτης
prophetes
prof-ay'-tace
From a compound of G4253 and G5346; a foreteller (prophet); by analogy an inspired speaker; by extension a poet: - prophet.

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Message 153 of 206 (175580)
01-10-2005 5:08 PM
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01-10-2005 4:16 PM


Hi Tom,
Well, which 'prophet' says that 'He' would be a Nazarene?
in regards to Jesus being a Nazareth from the womb
A 'Nazareth'? What is that?
Do, you mean Nazarite?
Cheers.
Brian.

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Message 154 of 206 (175678)
01-10-2005 10:47 PM
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01-10-2005 5:08 PM


Jesus of Nazareth
Brian,
The Choice Of Nazareth
The "what was spoken by the prophets might be fulfilled" in the above quote from Matthew is believed by some to be a reference to Isaiah 11:1, "There shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of his roots."
The original Hebrew word, pronounced nay-tser, translated into English as shoot, literally means a sprout, or branch, and figuratively a descendant. The name Nazareth is thought to be derived from the same original word, which would indicate that God either named the city Himself, or chose it to be the home town of the Messiah because of its name.
Bible Study – Christian Education Resource
It would appear nazarite means consecrated as a prince, one chosen and set apart for life, a holy life. Sounds like a priest like vow, to separate oneself for a holy life from sin. I see several verses calling him Jesus of Nazareth, though he didn't appear to make a normal Nazarite vow, it says he sanctifies himself for our behalf kjv John 17:19. It would appear at the time the Gospels were written everyone knew of the Nazarene prophecy, it appears the prophecy is Isaiah 11:1, in respect to the Nazarene, Jesus is the branch, out of the root of Jesse.
Jesus said he sanctifies himself on our behalf. kjv John 17:19 It says he is our High Priest after the order of Melchisedec. kjv Hebrew 5:10 It says he is the vine and we are the branches. If Nazareth means shoot, literally means sprout, branch. It appears that nazarite also means a vine not pruned which is interestingly similar to a branch. While Jesus is the branch of Jesse, he is the vine and we are the branches that the Father prunes so that we might bear fruit.
kjv Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
kjv Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
kjv Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
kjv Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
http://www.trinityrcus.com/Sermons/LPrayer/20031228.htm
Now it is certain that Je sus was no Nazarite in the ceremonial sense, but He is the fulfillment of the sign. Just as He was no priest in the days He spent on this earth, yet He is the fulfillment of all the priests of the Old Testament.
One thing is certain: the word of Matthew, though not crystal clear to us, was certainly understood by the audience to whom he wrote.
H5139

na^zi^yr na^zir
naw-zeer', naw-zeer'
From H5144; separate, that is, consecrated (as prince, a Nazirite); hence (figuratively from the latter) an unpruned vine (like an unshorn Nazirite). (The translation, Nazarite, is by a false alliteration with Nazareth.): - Nazarite [by a false alliteration with Nazareth], separate (-d), vine undressed.
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Message 155 of 206 (175952)
01-11-2005 5:52 PM
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01-10-2005 10:47 PM


Nazaret
Nazarei = guardian
Notserah = watching or guarding
Nazaret may mean "the guarded one" in that there is a hill behind the town from which guards can watch the countryside.
Tom is correct in that notser can mean off-shoot or branch, and sometimes carries the meaning of beautiful on account of being fruitful or multiplying.
Here we again see the use of double-entendre and pun in scripture.

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arachnophilia
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Message 156 of 206 (176233)
01-12-2005 11:32 AM
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01-10-2005 9:22 AM


Re: Believe on His Name
Its Gods Words not mans words, Jesus said my Words will never pass away kjv matthew 24:35. Jesus is God the Word come in the flesh John chapter 1.
yes, but revelation was still written, BY A MAN named john, several hundred years, maybe a thousand, after deuteronomy. whether or not john is word for word exactly dictated by god to john, it was still added to the text.
Its saying he will not again destroy the earth by a flood
i see, so god's tricky, is he? speaking in technicality?

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arachnophilia
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Message 157 of 206 (176235)
01-12-2005 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by johnfolton
01-10-2005 9:02 AM


Re: Believe on His Name
Arachnophilia, Immanuel means God is with us. Emmanuel too means God with us.
they'd better mean the same thing, considering one is a misspelling of the other.
I agree you should never worship a man. Jesus however is God with us.
if jesus wasn't a man, how did he die? part of the requirements of christian dogma is that jesus christ is god in the form of man -- which blatantly defies the first commandment.
and no, christ was not immanuel. as stated so many times in this thread alone, that prophesy was given to ahaz, and was fulfilled the very next chapter of isaiah. it has nothing to do with jesus, and the name DOES NOT mean that bearer IS god.

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Message 158 of 206 (176272)
01-12-2005 2:06 PM
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01-12-2005 11:36 AM


Re: Believe on His Name
Arachnophilia, As a christian were to acknowledge that Jesus is the Christ. 1 John 2:22-23. We become one with the Father in Christ.
Given Jesus is Christ (Emmanuel) his testimony he gave to his servant John is the Words of the Lord. Jesus said Heaven and earth shall pass away: but his words shall not pass away.
kjv Luk 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

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Message 159 of 206 (176314)
01-12-2005 5:24 PM
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01-12-2005 2:06 PM


Re: Believe on His Name
Bret, (Tom, Tim, Craig) is there a reason for changing your screen name so many times? Especially since you keep using different first names..
If it is to confuse your opponents and make them think they are talking to another member, it won't work. Your aliases are listed in your profile.
Please give me a good reason for all the changes or stop making them. It is also good netiquette to acknowledge the change in some form.

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Message 160 of 206 (176335)
01-12-2005 6:30 PM
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01-12-2005 5:24 PM


Re: Believe on His Name
Ascara, Didn't like Tom, Tim, so switched to Bret. I thought this thread had died so I switched to Bret. I'll switch back to Tom so this thread makes sense, though it will be a bit confusing in a few other posts I've already made as Bret.
Whats the purpose of being allowed to have other aliases, when it replaces all the posts you posted with you new alias. I think it would be an improvement to change your software so all the posts I posted as Tom would not change to say Bret posted them. People will always know the various aliases by checking the profile, but it wouldn't be as confusing to read.

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Message 161 of 206 (176862)
01-14-2005 2:07 AM
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01-12-2005 2:06 PM


Re: Believe on His Name
Arachnophilia, As a christian were to acknowledge that Jesus is the Christ.
THE christ or A christ?
david, and every other king of judah (and israel), was annointed: a christ.
Given Jesus is Christ (Emmanuel)
the two are not synonymous, and it's not a given. immanuel was the name of a HUMAN child, signifying that god was on the side of judah. he was not annointed, was not a messiah, and was not king. not a christ by any defition.
his testimony he gave to his servant John is the Words of the Lord.
why does john fail to line up with the other gospels then? why by the mosaic standards is christ blasphemous in john?

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Message 162 of 206 (186810)
02-19-2005 4:25 PM


monkeyman72
i want to start my own religion, the leprachaun's, theres a leprachaun somewhere that makes everything happen. he's been around since the beginning of time. one day he made a planet, called it earth, a huge rock. made his own country, called it ireland. i'll make a world with people and places. ireland will be MY COUNTRY. he said. everbody else will form their own lands and beliefs, boooooom, earth was formed, country's, people, land, religion, began to form.

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Message 163 of 206 (186827)
02-19-2005 5:14 PM
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02-19-2005 4:25 PM


staying on topic
Monkeyman72, please try to determine what is being discussed in any particular thread and stay on that topic. I don't see that your post is appropriate here.

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Message 164 of 206 (190061)
03-04-2005 1:47 PM


Jesus linage
Jesus was the son of Augustus Caesar.
The Caesar's were a linage of albino's that went back to Noah and then god. Revelation 1:14 plainly describes Jesus as an albino. The facts are that in those times albino's were called angels.
The statement at Revelation 1:14-15 that Jesus had a two-edge sword "coming out of his mouth" means he was retracting his military sword from the "mouth" of the sword scabbard. Jesus was pulling his sword as a threat to John. This scripture proves that Jesus escaped death and was alive as late as 68, and that Simon died in his place. Luke 23:26-35.
Albino's were also called "ghosts". Knowing this identifies Jesus as "the "Holy Ghost" being the natural son of the deified Augustus.
Jesus's mother was Cleopatra. The bible states that Jesus mother took him to the safety of Egypt. Egypt is not a safe place for a Jew even today.
Jesus was half-Roman and half-Greek. The of God was the caesar's Roman Empire. Jesus said that he would inherit his fathers kingdom. He did. If you doubt that go to Rome and look around.
Immortals believe that as long as they are remembered they are still alive.

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Message 165 of 206 (190179)
03-05-2005 12:11 PM
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03-24-2004 8:17 PM


Re: a 'cursed lineage'?
no. immanuel wah um isaiah's kid i think. reread that text and search for posts by arachnophilia on it.

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