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Author Topic:   Claims of God Being Omnipotent in the Bible
doctrbill
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Message 192 of 381 (189179)
02-28-2005 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by arachnophilia
02-28-2005 2:20 AM


Re: Gods and Sons of God
Arachnophilia writes:
kings in other local cultures were gods. this was unacceptable to the monotheistic jews. and so their kings were the next step down, sons of god.
I believe it had more to do with politics than with religion. Jewish leaders were nervous about what Jesus said because: identifying oneself as son-of-god (royal) was a challenge to Caesar.
Jesus defended his statement (that he was the son of god) by quoting scripture to the effect that Yahweh had addressed the princes of Israel (royal household) as "gods." So, calling himself "son of god" shouldn't be such a big deal.
... you can't be both the literal son of david, and the literal son of god.
Why not?
Solomon was the son of David, and the son of god.
The anointed one (man selected to be king) becomes the son of god by virtue of his coronation, the crown symbolizing presence of deity; a halo, if you will. This is incarnation. The 'spirit of god' possessing the body of a man: the king.
By analogy: the anointed one is like the president elect. He is given all power in heaven and earth upon the occasion of his inauguration.
db

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doctrbill
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Message 196 of 381 (189225)
02-28-2005 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by xevolutionist
02-28-2005 12:41 PM


Re: Wise as Serpents
xevolutionist writes:
I'm not looking for any reasons to believe, my faith is based on very convincing evidence.
I'm not sure what your faith entails but your comment reminds me that many religious people, Christian and otherwise, mistakenly attribute the natural magic of the universe to Gods. For example: they believe lightning to be his arrows and thunder to be his voice.
Many religious people mistake the innate qualities of human experience for the work of Gods, Prophets or Messiah's. Such outmoded belief systems are no longer able to explain the universe. Their explanations have evolved a lot but have a long way to go before reasonable men can accept God Theory.
As a long time atheist (reformed Christian) I can testify to the power of prayer, the reality of divine guidance, and the still small voice of conscience. These phenomena are common to humanity. One does not need a God in order to receive those gifts. When one creates a jealous God, then all who believe in other Gods become infidels. And if those other Gods are anything like the Jewish/Christian/Muslim God, then war becomes inevitable.
Answer me this: Why is it that Jesus is coming back to kill me and my friends and members of my family who aren't 'good'Christians? Do you think that makes me want to believe in him?
Thank you for your stimulating comments.
Thank you for calling them that.
db

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doctrbill
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Message 201 of 381 (189368)
02-28-2005 11:12 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by xevolutionist
02-28-2005 3:06 PM


Re: Judgement
Thank you for your honest reply. I must tell you, however, that I found the following line rather disturbing.
xevolutionist writes:
I also know that I may be deluded, and all I believe is wrong.
I think we all harbor a certain amount of erroneous belief but I seriously doubt that everything you believe is wrong.
Those of us who love truth may have to revise our opinions from time to time as we grow in understanding. I've had to let go many prejudiced interpretations of scripture. I grew up in a denomination of Christianity which taught us that we (our sect) were the 'true' People of God. Thus indoctrinated I set forth arrogantly on my quest to know God. As you might imagine, I encountered many attitude adjustments along the way.
My advice: Don't assume that your current beliefs are either completely correct or entirely incorrect. Each of us has a special life experience, a unique point of view, and something valuable to contribute to this discussion.
Thank you for participating.
db

Theology is the science of Dominion.

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doctrbill
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Message 202 of 381 (189375)
02-28-2005 11:48 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by arachnophilia
02-28-2005 9:11 PM


Re: Gods and Sons of God
Solomon was the son of David, and the son of god.
Arachnophilia writes:
yes, but god didn't inseminate solomon's mother. that's what i meant by literal son of god.
I don't believe Yahweh inseminated Jesus' mother.
But perhaps some lesser god did so.
Perhaps it was that 'angel' (Greek for agent) who popped into Mary's bedroom in the middle of the night and said,
"Young lady, you're about to get pregnant."
And she did!
db

Theology is the science of Dominion.
- - - My God is your god's Boss - - -

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doctrbill
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Message 204 of 381 (189431)
03-01-2005 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by arachnophilia
03-01-2005 1:27 AM


Re: Gods and Sons of God
Arachnophilia writes:
what i mean is that i don't think "son of god" has a darned thing to do with genetics. it's a title. and obviously one that can applied well after birth, see psalm 2.
Clearly.

Theology is the science of Dominion.
- - - My God is your god's Boss - - -

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doctrbill
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Message 233 of 381 (517267)
07-30-2009 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by JRTjr
07-30-2009 12:14 PM


Re: Wise as Serpents
JRTjr writes:
if God is a myth, then nothing we do really ever matters.
Pardon my vulgarity, but that’s a pile o’ pucky.
If someone wants to wipe out a certain ‘class’ or ‘race’ of people what’s it going to matter (in the long run)?
You might never have been born. Does that matter to you?
If there is not God then Government is the highest authority and right and wrong is judged solely on whether it is legal or illegal.
Government has always been the highest authority. Right and wrong have always been judged according to the legalities.
you’re looking at God as just a Judge He has not kept His Laws a secret. It is only our arrogance that keeps us from seeing, and obeying God’s Laws.
To keep my post short I’ll just give you one example.
13You shall not commit murder. (Exodus 20: 3, Amplified Bible)
A humble person will admit that the malicious taking of a persons life is just plain wrong. It takes an arrogant person to say that someone else’s life is not worth anything so it’s O.K. to kill them.
Jehovah (God of the Bible) says
  • thou shalt kill the woman (accused of bestiality) Leviticus 20:16
  • kill every male (child) and kill every (grown) woman (infidels) Numbers 31:17
  • thou shalt surely kill him (the infidel) Deuteronomy 13:9
  • slay the murderer Numbers 35:19
  • the murderer shall be put to death Numbers 35:30
  • slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 1Samuel 15:3
In other words: "Kill every living thing."
And if ordinary men were unwilling to kill, then:
  • the LORD would slay them. 1 Samuel 2:25
  • I will kill you (for abusing orphans, say Jehovah) Exodus 22:24
Enough of that for now. I wouldn't want you to think that I sympathize with such a bloodthirsty deity.
Seriously though, If you want to discuss the Law of God, lets talk about something other than the ancient Hebrew civil code. Let's talk about the Real Law, of the Real God. Let's talk about the law of Gravity, or Electromagnetism, or the Law of Copulation (just do it) OK? Such things comprise the True Law of the True God. All else is the witch doctrine of ancient superstition.

Theology is the science of Dominion.
- - - My God is your god's Boss - - -

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