Earth Quakes and end time biblical prophecy continuation.

Gray's Anatomy is good, froggy friend, but the most significant made by God labels are in the microscopic stuff and the highly complex stuff like the nervous system, the brain and the dna. To get back more to topic, it would seem as though so many prophetic scriptures of things like the return of Jews to Israel and specifically Jerusalem while being surrounded by threatening armies just prior to the 2nd advent of Jesus the Christ would be somewhat unsettling to skeptics of the Bible, considering the stakes if you're wrong and these are bonafide.Imo, the sheer number of specifics like this would lend credence to other prophecies like Isaiah 24 where planet shaking earthquakes are mentioned in conjunction with a call for the Eastern sea costal dwellers to give God the glory!!

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

I will add, possibly exacerbated by man. Take Project Seal for example, if we are testing tsunami BOMBS, surely that must have some impact on tectonic plates. Agree with this, it is not for us to understand the number of breathes to a life, nor is it for us to judge. What it is for us to do; is our damndest to take care of what we can, and to love our fellow man. God expects us to do our bit, and to accept responsibility and accountability. He gave that directive to us; love the Lord your God with all your heart, and to love our fellow man, as we love ourselves. (Not verbatim) The definition of this Love is in 1Corinthians 13, were we to have heeded that in its entirety, the world might be a different place. We can’t change what has been, but we can do our damndest to make a difference, to and for, what is to come. I disagree with your statement here; God actually was around sin with Adam and Eve. That he sent them from his presence, is no different to me being able to be around a heroin addict, but not allowing them into my home.
By saying he can’t be around sin in its entirety, is like saying that he is not be there for every person. If that is not the case, then it refutes the whole omnipotent concept, and being present when people commit their lives to Him.ShazEdit- Clarifying not allowing the heroin addict in my home, is because my first responsibility is to what I was entrusted with; my child.This message has been edited by Shaz, 10 January 2005 10:38 AM

Just a hint - don't rely on covers of Time Magazine for your science education.If there is a biological basis for belief in God, isn't that rather evidence against an actual God? That people don't believe in God because God exists, but rather, because they have a gene that makes them do that?

I believe God does know what is going to happen. Maybe that is why the bible exists; it could merely be a manual, of how we should live, and the consequences when we don’t. Placed into our hands and up to us what we do with it. Even considering an atheist perspective that the bible is not of God, had we still heeded the directives in it, the world might be a very different place.Surely no one could refute, that regardless of race or creed, we fail in many instances, not only to care and love our neighbour, but also our earth, until something happens. Then we focus on it, until something else comes along. How many of us bear grudges to our neighbour, our family, or even simply have no contact? How many of us car pool, or find time to play with our children, or teach them to befriend the special needs child? (cars - we extract oil from the earth)How is this Gods fault? He warned us, he showed us how to live; we ignore that, then is it not our fault? You tell your child, not to touch a heater when it is on, the child does. Who caused the injury?The other side of this is that maybe we also fail in our understanding of the whole God concept, and our acceptance of what truth is. God sent prophets to teach man, is it not conceivable that he would have them strategically placed throughout our existence? Maybe we are simply failing to heed them, much like the proposal for two tsunami meters to be placed in the Indonesian vicinity pre December 26, was not heeded. Of course $500,000 is a lot of money, when one considers that there are bombs, and bullets to buy.(Excuse my sarcasm, its not directed at you or anyone, just my frustration creeping in, I think I ranted a little too, apologies also for that.)Shaz

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Just a hint - don't rely on covers of Time Magazine for your science education.

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If there is a biological basis for belief in God, isn't that rather evidence against an actual God? That people don't believe in God because God exists, but rather, because they have a gene that makes them do that?

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Nope, because the bible specificly says: God has place eternity in the heart of every man. So, he must a PUT the gene there.Seccondly, there are many BOOKS, lagitiamte BOOKS, that make this claim that are considered NON-FICTION BOOKS.I am gona let the other christians handle this for a while cause I got some business to do.

oh yea, your right. I won't rely my science education on it. They said that the gospels were written 300 years after jesus. And they were proven wrong!! AHAHAHAHAA!!!

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I disagree with your statement here; God actually was around sin with Adam and Eve. That he sent them from his presence, is no different to me being able to be around a heroin addict, but not allowing them into my home.
By saying he can’t be around sin in its entirety, is like saying that he is not be there for every person. If that is not the case, then it refutes the whole omnipotent concept, and being present when people commit their lives to Him.

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Your right. Thanx for correcting me.Sorry for making 3 posts in a row lol.

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Nope, because the bible specificly says: God has place eternity in the heart of every man. So, he must a PUT the gene there.

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Wow stunning evidence - not.....You realise that for us atheists that book hold no meaning at all - do you have any evidence based on science? (since you are making claims about DNA seems a reasonable request,no?)

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Seccondly, there are many BOOKS, lagitiamte BOOKS, that make this claim that are considered NON-FICTION BOOKS.

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I am gona let the other christians handle this for a while cause I got some business to do.

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We don't work like that here - you made the claim, you back it or withdraw it.This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 01-09-2005 20:29 AM

I am talking about the stuff they said. They can back that up.Anyway, have you read THE GOD GENE?
And many other various books.All I know is that it's dum to consider highly complex things an accident.Father: Look at what I have created for you.
Kid: You did not make this, this just came by random chance.
Father: No, listen to me, I made this, can you tell how higly complex this is?
Kid: O please, according to modern science, that can actually happen that it could come by random chance.
Father: Ok, have it your way.

Your last few posts have had nothing to do with the topic. If this continues wandering off into wonderland the thread will be closed.

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I am talking about the stuff they said. They can back that up.

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No - YOU said:

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Did you know that there is a universal gene in the DNA that wires us for believe in god? However, we do have freewill to chose.
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There is no "they" - it is YOUR claim.

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Anyway, have you read THE GOD GENE?
And many other various books.

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Let's pretend I haven't - what's the evidence.

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All I know is that it's dum to consider highly complex things an accident.

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Who mentioned accidents? you have made a claim about an inherent belief in God because of our DNA - you seem unable to grasp what I am actually asking you.

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Father: Look at what I have created for you.
Kid: You did not make this, this just came by random chance.
Father: No, listen to me, I made this, can you tell how higly complex this is?
Kid: O please, according to modern science, that can actually happen that it could come by random chance.
Father: Ok, have it your way.

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What the hell are you on about? What does this have to do with us being preprogrammed to believe in god?

Oddly enough I had thought about replying to your previous message (23) asking if you or anyone else was starting to consider the possibility that Guido was just trolling/taking the piss/jerking our chains/insert preferred appropriate phrase here.I may be wrong - and if I am I apologise to GS unreservedly - but I think we're wasting out time interacting with him, he's not here for any sort of real debate.

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Confused ? You will be...

Not here for real debate??What is disappointing is that he may well think he is. He actually thinks those are good arguments for his side. It is both funny and sad.Don't assume maliciousness when incompetance can explain it.

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Well Guidosoft did say that 'the other Christians' (albeit I use the term loosely with myself), could clear the God gene stuff up. It may not be in accordance with your belief though Guidosoft.This is an example of the comments I found, in relation to Dean Hamer’s God gene theory. (For the record, the news articles are all quite repetitive and biased in their leanings.)

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In accordance with the researcher's hypothesis, deeply religious people possess a particular gene in their bodies which bears the name of VMAT2. Atheists, on the contrary, lack such gene
Dean Hammer is especially well-known for his 1993 discovery of a gene responsible for one's homosexual predilection
http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/377/14625_.html

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Now I haven’t tread ‘The God Gene’ book, and nor am I likely to, but I took a look at the VMAT2 & VMAT1 gene. First it is my understanding that all people, have genes, and that it is an amino based neurotransmitter. (This is from my brief investigation, and I am no expert, so correct me anyone please.)Here is some brief excerpts of what I found: Now as Guidosoft says, there may be many books, which indeed implicate the vesicular amine transporter to certain conditions. Just as there are many medications, that are used to manipulate and control certain imbalances in neurotransmission, or the VMAT2. Once electric shock sufficed, but now we used pharmocological restraints mostly, supposedly they are less obtrusive. Because we use these restraints does not mean we have the answers, it is simply more a case of quality of life for the patient.Hamer also apparently based his research on 2000/1000? subjects, DNA sampling and a 256 question survey, originally based on cigarrette smoking apparently (see final link). Someone more knowledgeable than me may be able to clear up, whether DNA is actually a viable option for determining specific neurotransmitter activity. Personally I didn't believe it was, yet. Further, I don't think that an inbalance in the VMAT is necessarily indicative of what specific effect that would have. Like most things though, there is no conclusive black and white answer to any of these conditions, so to imply a belief in God is because of one thing seems ludicrous to me. We might as well say that all Christians, are the same and be done with it. Seriously though my points are not based on whether God is the creater of our phsyiological make up, rather at how can one state A exists because of B, and then apply that globally. If need be I can show many other reasons why people use drugs and alcohol, and many other implied links to parkinson, other than VMAT2.Shazp.s. I also aint a mouse. "Human SVMT shares 92% amino acid identity with the rat sequence..." - Note not a 100%
NCBI/eutils201 - WWW Error 404 DiagnosticHamers disclaimer:1. Human traits often involve the interplay of hundreds or even thousands of genes, so it is doubtful that our sense of spirituality is dictated by cytosine alone. Other genes or chemical bases are likely to be involved.
apostolic.net - Email link for Dean Hamer at this site: http://rex.nci.nih.gov/RESEARCH/basic/biochem/hamer.htmThis message has been edited by Shaz, 10 January 2005 15:36 AM