AdminJar said I could continue by posting a new thread in the proposed new topics because he closed the other one because there was too many posts. Sorry, I know I should work on one topic at a time but this is a continuation, I need to reply.
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So, are you saying that God is lazy, and that's why he doesn't save the innocent infants when he could?
What is loving and just about that?
Do you know what a comparison is? God is not lazy, he has different attritrubes just as Loving but also just. Witch complicates things. God is all powerfull, but he also has a mind, emotions, and characteristics.
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So why does he let the innocent infants suffer and die?
Does he want them to suffer and die?
Those infants goto heaven.
No. He does not wan't them to die. But, to let them live would be to contradict free will, and consequences from wrong discisions.
"I am gona go kill that guy."
Now, if God dissalowed it, then it would contradict free will, though, sometimes God DOES protect is, if we trust in him to do so.
Once again, if we didn't mess up in the first place, there would be NO PROBLEMS. No NATURAL DISASTERS. Nothing. Nada.
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Are you referring to Adam and Eve eating from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil?
How could they know right from wrong before they ate of the tree that would give them the knowledge of good and evil?
Anyway, how could a just and loving god allow little innocent infants to suffer and die?
A vengeful, spiteful God, yes, but not a loving, just God.
They were told not to do something. They knew there weren't suppost to do it, once they did it anyway, there eyes were opened to Good and Evil. Though, before this, they were not aware of things such as "o, killing, o stealing. hmmm." The only reason why they had the idea of the one sin is becasue God told them not to in order to see if they would follow him. Because they didn't then mankind was cursed. And they began to die (PHYSCIALY) Just like we begin dieing the instant we are born.
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Right.
So why aren't you believing in Zeus right now?
IT IS SO EASY!
Of course, you cannot move a boulder. But some editots might believe that they can when they are 3 with there bare hands.
Comparisans:
Zues = Bolder (False) (Easy to believe beause of retardation)
God = Leaf (True) (Hard to believe because of retardation)
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Did god make me as I am or not? Does he control everything in the universe or not?
How can he, if I have free will? How can He be all-powerful if I can chooses to do something he doesn't want? If he is all-powerful, then free will is an illusion.
Do you have free will to post as you choose? Is there an admin who can ban you at any time but doesn't?
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Maybe you misunderstood.
Saying that someone is "emotionally needy" is not a compliment.
It is usually a sign that a person has a low self-esteem and needs constant validation from others because they have no inner feelings of self-worth.
God = Loving = He has not smighten you right now even though you would if you were God and someone flamed you all the time.
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Is that a fact?
Let's go through the list, shall we?
1) I have never heard God tell me he loves me. I have never, in fact, ever seen or experienced anything that I took to be God-like, even when I was a believer.
2) God has let millions of people, including infants and children starve, suffer, and die needless deaths, for millenia. Billions have prayed to God to help them, but God didn't do anything to help them. He didn't listen.
3) God's rules of conduct are muddy and unclear. There are tens of thousands of Christian denominations in the US alone, and each of them interpret the rules of behavior and belief differently. That's not counting the thousands of other world religons that are currently practiced or have been in the past. He seems to punish some people who have not disobeyed anyone and bless some people who have murdered or swindled thousands. He is inconsistent.
1) Try reading the bible. God was here on earth once, he told people, they did not believe him. They crucified him. So God does not need to come down here, he gave us a bible to tell us. Read it.
2)Why should he listen? He should not even listen to me? God doesn't always answer are prayers because we are not right with God. Besides, maybe God has decided that it is time for them to come to heaven with him.
3) That's what a bible is for. There is no way to mis-interpet it if you understand proper-english and look at the versus correctly.
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Are you saying that only disobedient people are punished by God, and obedient followers are only blessed?
Why, this isn't what we see in reality at all, is it?
The tsunami was not punishment. Both Christians and non-Christians were killed. It is a natural disaster.
Sometimes God choses to save and sometimes he don't. God has his reasons.
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How is that different from magic?
If anything is magic it is the universe. God's power is default, not the universe's logical structure and order.
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Of course it messes up your point!
You said that the universse is logical and that humans were created to be logical, and that this is evidence that we were created by God.
We are NOT logical creatures, so this contradicts your point.
The unvierse is logical.
Humans are programatical, God created us this way. I made a mistake before, you corrected me. My point is not messed up.
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Right, I didn't see any.
That's why I asked you to provide some of theis "tremendous load" of evidence.
Please do.
Go get an anotomy book.
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I tried that.
It didn't work.
Also, can you please do the same for Zeus?
IT IS SO EASY!
Kid: Dad, why is the sky blue.
Father: Because of the particles......
Kid: What? I can't here you. Why is the sky blue?
Father: I am telling you.
Kid: Huh? I can't here you???
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Why not?
Can't god do anything? Does he want me to go to Hell for using my mind that He made for me in the way He knew I would use it? Or, is he not really all-powerful and he cannot do these things, even though he knows (because he made me) that this is what I would require for belief?
God died on the cross. Accept his gift of eternal life or reject it. You don't want it? Then your going to hell. Don't mean to be harsh. But it is your own choice.
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This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 01-09-2005 16:31 AM
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