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Author Topic:   Born believers: How your brain creates God
Buzsaw
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Message 34 of 74 (498475)
02-10-2009 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by DevilsAdvocate
02-05-2009 8:51 PM


When I Was A Child
DA writes:
Show me a child that has an inate notion of the Christian God without someone teaching it to them at an early age. I know not one. Religious faith is preceded by indoctrination.
I never head a sermon, read or heard a Bible verse or darkened the door of a church until I was in the 3rd grade at about age 8. However, there was a time before we moved to town and were taken to a church when my bother, sister and I prayed. My parents were gone for the evening and we three were left home. My brother and I did something we never did before or since. We streaked through the house with our pants off. My sister did not participate but saw us. After we went to bed, my sister said we should pray. We all prayed and asked God to forgive us.
That was it. That alone was all I had experienced relative to God relative to anything. It was not until we moved to town and were taken to a local Baptist church by our new neighbors that we were exposed to anything Biblical.
My point is that we three all were convicted of God that we were sinners. This was my first experience of an awareness of God. I believe God heard our prayers and effected our eventual coming to the place where we were ministered of the gospel and became Christians by receiving Jesus, the savior. To this day our whole family which grew to six children remain faithful to God as Christians and survive our godly parents who have since deceased to await the resurrection when we will all be united in Heaven.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 38 of 74 (498559)
02-11-2009 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by DevilsAdvocate
02-11-2009 8:33 AM


Re: When I Was A Child
DA writes:
Would you have believed in God much less prayed if you were never taken to church or exposed to Christianity in the first place?
Perhaps my message was ambiguous. What I meant to say is that before we moved to town and became exposed to something Biblical, my sister, brother and myself had a prayer session in our country house to whom we regarded as God. We were genuinely convicted by some power of sinful acts which we had done. After having learned about the power of the Holy Spirit I am convinced in my own mind that it was that spirit of God which had convicted us as ignorant children. What we call conscience may be have a bearing on that spiritual power.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 45 of 74 (498683)
02-12-2009 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by DevilsAdvocate
02-11-2009 8:57 PM


Re: When I Was A Child
DA writes:
Sorry, call me a liar but I do not believe that you had some innate, inborn knowledge of God and how to pray without first having some exposure to prayer and God in the first place. You may have learned it at school, as at that time prayer was incorporated into schools. Even when I was a child back in the 1970's in the South, prayers were said over the loud speaker in the morning in my school.
I trust you were not born in China. America is not a vacuum of Christianity. It is all over the place, and probably more so when you were a child. It would have been pretty easy for you to pick up bits and pieces of the Christian faith in American society at the time.
Babies and infants have no knowledge of God or prayer until they learn it through the example or indoctrination by other people. Otherwise why would not children all around the world be believers in the Christ and God of the Bible when they turn 8 years old. Your logic is screwy.
Though I don't remember of my teachers praying in school or of my early school teachers advocating Christianity, likely there were references to God in some of the text books or history lessons relative to the founding fathers. In some of he patriotic songs and things like the Pledge of Allegiance there were references to God but not to the point that I had a particular awareness of them. Most of the stories were things like Dick, Jane & Spot or fairy tales, etc. At Christmas it was all Santa. Certainly prayer or Bible reading was neither in the school or home in my experience.
I never heard the term "born again" until I heard it in church. We lived in the country in Wyoming and I never experienced a flush toilet until the 2nd grade, though the year before we moved to town our home had a flush toilet. The one room schoolhouse had a wood pot belly stove and an outhouse. All 8 grades were taught in the school house. When we moved to town that all changed. That was during grade 3.
I don't remember of prayer in our home before we went to church. There was a little prayer I prayed before bed time as a child, but to the best of my recollection that was after we began going to church. It was the one, "Now I lay me down to sleep; I pray the Lord my soul to keep. If I die before I wake, I pray the Lord my soul to take." ....or something like that.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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