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Message 4 of 74 (497602)
02-04-2009 11:07 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by NosyNed
02-04-2009 3:09 PM

Hi Ned,

NoseyNed writes:

It simply seems very creditable to me that there is something wired in since it is so pervasive and stubborn.

I tend to agree with Bloom, that it is hardwired.

Since I believe in God I believe he inserted a God vaccumn in each person. In this vaccumn God tries to draw all men unto Himself.

Many of the atheist on this site have related how they at one time believed in God. But they got over it.

The study with the children echo as much.

In other words it seems a person has to learn to not believe in God.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 10 of 74 (497736)
02-05-2009 10:02 PM

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02-05-2009 8:51 PM

Hi DA,

DevilsAdvocate writes:

Show me a child that has an inate notion of the Christian God without someone teaching it to them at an early age. I know not one. Religious faith is preceded by indoctrination.

I are one.

My mom and dad never took me to church. The Bible was never read by my parents. A prayer was never said.

I did read the Bible.

I was drawn to it.

I believed it.

I accepted God's offer.

I was born again when I was 9 years and 11 months laying on my bed in my bedroom by myself. Just me and the Holy Spirit.

You welcome to visit anytime.

My dad was saved when I was 23 years old. My mom is in the lake of fire as far as I know.

God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 20 of 74 (497984)
02-06-2009 10:38 PM

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02-06-2009 5:20 AM

Hi DA,

DevilsAdvocate writes:

It is not innate though. One is not born believing in God or religion.

I don't think I said anyone was born believing in God.

I think I said they were born with a vacuum that only God can fill.

And yes I read the Bible and yes I found it could fill that void I had in me and that void does not exist now as it is full.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 23 of 74 (498045)
02-07-2009 2:49 PM

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02-07-2009 10:10 AM

Hi Larni,

Larni writes:

What else could this mean?

This:

quote:
In other words it seems a person has to learn to not believe in God.

Meant exactly what it says.

I had put forth that because of the different atheist that had said they believed in God at an early age but when they got older they did not believe in God.

That:

"IT SEEMED" a person has to learn to not believe in God.

That does not address when or why they believed in God to begin with.

Just that they did and had ceased to do so.

If my assumption is incorrect please point out where I went wrong.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 26 of 74 (498051)
02-07-2009 4:28 PM

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02-07-2009 3:57 PM

Hi DA,

DevilsAdvocate writes:

But you agree that a baby does not believe in God, correct? So a young child has to learn somehow to believe in God before he or she can later reject that belief. Is that not correct?

Here is my statement in Message 4.

I tend to agree with Bloom, that it is hardwired.

Since I believe in God I believe he inserted a God vaccumn in each person. In this vaccumn God tries to draw all men unto Himself.

I believe it is the spirit part of mankind that has a vaccumn that nothing can fill but God.

I also believe a person can come to the point that he can not hear in his mind that vaccumn say fill me, because the mind has been filled with natural things.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 28 of 74 (498055)
02-07-2009 5:01 PM

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02-07-2009 4:43 PM

Hi DA,

DevilsAdvocate writes:

So if a baby does not believe in God but does have the capacity to (this is what I infer from your statments), then that child has to LEARN to believe in God, either on there own or through indoctrination by someone else. Correct??

Incorrect.

I believe if it were possible to perform an experiment with a male and a female baby where they were totally isolated from the world on an island, they would grow up believing in a God.

I could be wrong.

But that would explain why we have never discovered a people who were isolated from the world that did not believe in some kind of a God.

When people came to America they found tribes of Indians who had no Bibles yet worshiped the Great Spirit up in the happy hunting grounds.

Why did they do that?

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 33 of 74 (498469)
02-10-2009 9:17 PM

Reply to: Message 30 by DevilsAdvocate
02-08-2009 1:21 AM

Hi DA,

DevilsAdvocate writes:

The Pirah tribe of the Amazon have no concept of God(s) or religion, though they do have a primitive form of belief called animism (human like "spirits" inhabit

If I am wrong why do they believe in any kind of spirits?

DevilsAdvocate writes:

BTW, other cultures/religions that are atheist include Buddhism and Taoism amongst others. Religion does not have to incorporate a belief in god(s).

The Buddist that I know have a little Budda statue who has a special place in the house and nobody desecrates that space. He is God.

DevilsAdvocate writes:

Even so, would you consider an American Indian a Christian and saved? Would he/she go to heaven without believing in Jesus?

It doesn't make any difference what I think.

God is the judge and I believe He is a just Judge so I will leave their eternal destiny in His hands just as I left my eternal destiny in His hands.

Why should I try to put limits on God and tell Him what to do and not to do there is enough religious people and atheist doing that already.

Nobody can put limits on God.

If they could they would be God.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 41 of 74 (498577)
02-11-2009 10:14 PM

Reply to: Message 37 by DevilsAdvocate
02-11-2009 9:32 AM

Hi DA,

DevilsAdvocate writes:

How are you defining the term "god"?

Anything you put your trust in.

Like your God.

You trust completely in your intelligence. Thus your God.

DevilsAdvocate writes:

I have no problem with that however I would like to see the parallelism between the God of the Bible and the Great Spirit of the Happy Hunting Grounds.

They couldn't help it if down through the years there were no fundies to keep the correct story before them so their belief had degenerated to what they had.

God is a Great Spirit.
Heaven to the Indian would be a hunting grounds.

So they worshiped a Great Spirit that had a Paradise for them.

So as I said I will leave their destiny to God just as He has mine in His hands. I will be satisfied with His decision.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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