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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Kap writes:
Or did you just repeat a claim you heard from a Christian? Do you know of ANYONE who has ever checked it ? I do.The results are far far short of 98% e-Catena: Compiled Allusions to the NT in the Ante-Nicene Fathers Kapyong My friend, whoever you may be, do you not find this very impressive indeed. Thanks for the site, it was a different than the ones I had viewed years back, but impressive nonetheless. Will we quible about percentages? I think the point is made very well People are free to believe whatever they wish, thats how free will works. Again, thanks D Bertot Edited by Bertot, : No reason given.
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
RAZD writes:
John 10:10 claims he is confident because he has evidence, but his evidence is only available to those with faith. His evidence is the faith he has in his faith. He'll present scripture verse at the drop of a hat, but ignore the issue, the topic and reality in the process, and dance around any real questions rather than answer directly. Bertot claims he has objective evidence when talking to the loyal opposition, but is unable to present a single shred to test for validity, and when he is challenged that his definition differs from John 10:10 he equivocates and says they are the same. Not one believer has presented objective "kick-the-tires" evidence for why one should drive off in a "Christler" instead of a "Hinda" yet they all display extreme confidence that only "Christlers" are worth driving down the path of faith. It is the confidence of a closed mind, unwilling to consider that they could be wrong, therefore they are right about anything they discuss, whether it is logic, life, linguistics or the mating habits of a little known butterfly that only lives in the amazon basin's northern branch where only one specimen has been found. It is the confidence of confirmation bias. It is the confidence of cognitive dissonance's rejection\denial of reality rather than resolution of the conflict While I am fully aware of the format for debate in the area of summation, I see or feel no need to repeat numerous valid points, whichany can go back and read if they choose. I also feel no need to repeat it for people that are not listening. As exhibit A, I present this very insightful and brilliant comment from Brian in another post. Brian writes:But even IF every story was confirmed historically and archaeologically it DOES NOT follow that there is a god, can't you see your faulty reasoning here? Now does that sound like anyone that is interested in any truth whatsoever. I would make my bets that yourself and the others are not far behind in this type of evasion and ignorance. Why repeat myself? My goal in summationwas simply to pointout further why you proceed in the manner you do and offer reasons for this type of degenerative thinking pattern. As I very easily demonstrated in another post you unwillingness to accept any of the evidence is not due to a lack of evidence, its that your methods and approach to what belief and evidence are are nothing short or ignorance and wilfull stupidity. As I suspected before I made the comment to Brian, he turns right around and confirms it in no uncertain terms. RAZD writes:Sadly, it is also my observation that most of this thread is pointless, once you get one answer from a person of faith all others are redundant for the very reasons given here. Like Brian, my simple friend, your not interested in evidence or the truth and your not listening to reality or our arguments, you have abandonded reason and your head is buried in your nonsensical approach. "There comes a time when even learned men must learn to dance". Reality and a rational approach to belief, RAZD, are the dance instructors, just listen. D Bertot Edited by Bertot, : No reason given. Edited by Bertot, : No reason given. Edited by Bertot, : No reason given.
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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3017 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
John 10:10 claims he is confident because he has evidence, but his evidence is only available to those with faith. His evidence is the faith he has in his faith. He'll present scripture verse at the drop of a hat, but ignore the issue, the topic and reality in the process, and dance around any real questions rather than answer directly. Here's another "drop of a hat Scripture" that speaks to why you and others cannot hear what we have been saying. The Lord Jesus speaks these words in Luke 8:15,
"But the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance. Many cannot hear the words of their loving Creator because they have no desire to hear with "honest and good hearts," and they do not want there to be God, especially THE I AM GOD OF THE BIBLE.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4738 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
While I am fully aware of the format for debate in the area of summation . he rebuts in his fifth summation. How can one not be friggin' confident when one has zero capacity to recognize a friggin' contradiction? Genesis 2 17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness. 18 And we all live happily ever after.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hey lyx2no2, aren't you a little young for fifths?
he rebuts in his fifth summation. How can one not be friggin' confident when one has zero capacity to recognize a friggin' contradiction? Yes, highly amusing that both John 10:10 and Bertot leap to prove my point. Again. They have so abused the definition of evidence, in order to convince themselves that what they believe is based on evidence, that they no longer know what real evidence entails. Why so confident? because they don't know why not. Someone who only knows one dance step cannot be a dance instructor, no matter how well they dance. Likewise there are many kinds of hats.
{abe}This is my last post on this thread, I have made my summation (Message 405) and I have seen my conclusions validated rather than rebutted, so there is no need for further comment. As always ...{/abe} Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : subtitle and final comment by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
It appears discussion is starting up. Now we are discussing the summations .
I think only those who have not yet posted since we started summarizing should post.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4738 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
I don't get it, according to Google I'm well within the age group for getting fifths. You're too old.
Edit for AdminNosy: Opps! Sorry, I was too anxious in reply, I didn't see you standing there.
AbE: OK, now I get it. Is it over late to use "too much drink" as an excuse for extended posting? Edited by lyx2no, : Yet another appology. Edited by lyx2no, : . and spelling. Edited by lyx2no, : Grammer - "too much drink" Genesis 2 17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness. 18 And we all live happily ever after.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
I think there has been enough time so we can bid adieu to one of our longest threads. I'm glad it didn't blow up on us.
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