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John 10:10 Member (Idle past 3017 days) Posts: 766 From: Mt Juliet / TN / USA Joined: |
God sovereignly gave the land of Israel to Abraham and his descendants (Gen 15:7) for this purpose: In the fulness of time would send forth His only begotten Son to redeem man from his sin.
But before Abraham's descendants were ready to posses the land, God sent them into Egypt for 400 years "because the iniquity of the Amorites was not yet full" (Gen 15:16). When the Israelites came out Egyptian bondage, the iniquity of all the people living in the land God had given to Abraham and his descendants was "full." So God then used the Israelites as an instrument of His judgment to punish sinful people living in an unredeemable sinful society. God then established laws through Moses to keep His own people pure and in right relationship with Him. The Israelites willingly chose to enter into this covenant relationship with God which included God's laws of punishment if they chose the break these laws (Ex 19:8). When "grace and truth" came through the Lord Jesus Christ, man now has the choice of either living only by man's law or no law at all, or living by God's grace and man's law. It's your choice.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4211 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Excellent post!!! Hits like a 20lb sledge. Points that need to be infused into the Topic to show just what is & was and where all came from.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4211 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
God sovereignly gave the land of Israel to Abraham..... So says you but where is the physical evidence that any of this occurred? There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
But before Abraham's descendants were ready to posses the land, God sent them into Egypt for 400 years "because the iniquity of the Amorites was not yet full" (Gen 15:16). When the Israelites came out Egyptian bondage, the iniquity of all the people living in the land God had given to Abraham and his descendants was "full." So God then used the Israelites as an instrument of His judgment to punish sinful people living in an unredeemable sinful society. God then established laws through Moses to keep His own people pure and in right relationship with Him. The Israelites willingly chose to enter into this covenant relationship with God which included God's laws of punishment if they chose the break these laws (Ex 19:8). You do realise that after extensive searching there has not been a single piece of archaeological evidence for the Israelite presence in Egypt? Modern archaeological techniques are capable of tracing the movements of far more ancient and relatively tiny nomadic hunter-gatherer tribes. 600,000 Israelites I beleieve is what the bible suggests escaped encamped in the Sinai for 40 years? Is that correct? Yet not a single piece of corroborating archaeological evidence. But who needs archaeology when you have faith huh........? Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Straggler writes: 600,000 Israelites I beleieve is what the bible suggests escaped encamped in the Sinai for 40 years? Is that correct? Yet not a single piece of corroborating archaeological evidence. Hey Straggler, I don't suppose you caught Message 2 of this thread?
Admin writes: I see a discussion of the evidence for the Exodus in your future. Convince me it won't happen. Please, for the love of all that is Noodley, try and avoid going down that weary road again, eh? Yeah, it's a big thread and I can't criticize you since we all do it. Just letting you know that there is a hornets nest under your foot, and you might want to consider your next step (on this thread anyway) with care Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
Two spin off threads have been created.
If I said to you that about 100 yeas ago the Academy of sciences put out a list of 50 or 51 scientific discrepncies in the Bible and that not a single one of those discrepencies remains or that any scientist will back those diescrpencies anymore, would that help you Has lead to 51 scientific facts that disprove the Bible. Feel free to help us out over there, we're having difficulty finding the list of fifty-one.
Mod writes: if you were prepared to follow me completely with what I had to say, which would be a lot, you would have a highly in depth knowledge of why I am as confident as I say I am that macroevolution has taken place. And that's the difference between what I propose to do, and what you have done. Bertot writes: I am anxious to see Modulations thread concering Holy Marco-evolution. Confidence in evolutionary science has been created for that purpose. Once again - I hope your friend is doing well, and I reassure you that there is no time pressure from anybody here in getting to them. Some things are more important than SIWOTI syndrome:
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Percy writes
There's nothing in the Forum Guidelines about time. Moderators think people should take as long as they need, though if you're going to take longer than a week you might want to let it be known, particularly with threads like this one that are beyond the 300-post limit - moderators might close it if they think discussion is done. I don't think there's much need to post notes when you're going to take a day or two. I think everyone would prefer clear well thought out posts no matter how long they take. OK thanks Ill get caught up on what has been discussed this far and respond in turn to the last post yours and Modulation's and anyothers I see relevant, thanks again.
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
DA writes:
BTW, I am curious how strong of a belief you have in your god. If God came down tonight in a dream and told you to kill your neighbor and his family because they were evil, would you do it? This is a yes or no question. I am not looking for rationalization, just strickly "Yes" or "No". DA do you enjoy being a wife beater, Im not looking for a rationalization just strickly yes or no. D Bertot Edited by Bertot, : No reason given.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
Unfortunately Bertot, your question is not of the same form as DA's. You are just ducking and it is obvious that you are.
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Bluesbrothers writes:
That would be fine if there was any corroborative evidence to the statement other that the Bible, which is prejudiced toward the God of Abraham. Laughing really hard while reading. Blues you are a trip, I swear. Your posts are very comical to me. Bertot
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Nedster writer:
Unfortunately Bertot, your question is not of the same form as DA's. You are just ducking and it is obvious that you are. Ofcourse its not the same knothead, but the principle is the same, he trying to manuver John into a nonsensical question that would ofcourse require some explanation like the one I asked. D Bertot
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
The wife beating question is meaningless if someone is not beating their wife.
The "what would you do if..." is a perfectly well formed question. It is not nonsensical. If someone claims to hear voices it is very reasonably to ask them how far they will follow those voices. In fact it is imperative to know since individuals have listened to what they claim is exactly the same voice that John hears and you know the kind of outcomes that have followed. ABEThe question is also directly related to the thread topic. It is asking John just how "friggin' confident" he actually is. Edited by NosyNed, : added a bit
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Brian wrotes:
Johnboy may remember the prophets of Baal, but I remember Chemosh, the Moabite God, kicking Yahweh's divine butt. Nice piece of evidence you presented there Brian. But my suggestion to you would be to quit presenting examples of evidence and just keep maintaning that all of this in the scriptures was a myth and that it has no historical content or context. Thanks again for yet more confirmation of its validity. And exacally what is the name of this stone? D Bertot
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 105 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Ned writes:
The wife beating question is meaningless if someone is not beating their wife. Ya think? You guys are an enigma to me sometimes, at times you can appear so intelligent and other times dumber than a fence post. DAs question would have no relevance Ned, if John was not indicating that God had ask him to do this, correct? DA is presenting a scenario that does not exist and does not apply to John. D Bertot
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4211 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
That would be fine if there was any corroborative evidence to the statement other that the Bible, which is prejudiced toward the God of Abraham. Laughing really hard while reading. Blues you are a trip, I swear. Your posts are very comical to me. Clue me in. Wheres the comedy. I asked for corroborating evidence, please supply. Edited by bluescat48, : qs goof There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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