Logical Proof of Existence of a Divine Creator, Why Atheism is Not Logically Sound

onifreYou are correct I should have said except humans but remember that fundamentals do not acknowledge our animal side.As to other animals, God does not quarrel with meat.A select few? Does Noah ring a bell.
Millions dead including innocent children and babies.
God kept a select few to fuck things up again and drowned the rest.
A poor farmer indeed to sow so many and reap so few.Should man judge God? Yes.
Who else can?“
Thank God it does not end here or all of us would be disappointed at death.How do you know that?I had the pleasure and pain of the one contact with God. He is a cosmic conscience.No miracles. Just the WORD.I do not judge belief. I only judge Gods. There are many of each.We all follow a God, be Him from a religion or a political system. We all believe in one of these Gods.
They should all be judged.
How else are we to know why we follow any one of them?Regards
DL

Judge God based on what laws?Just because by human standards the God fo the Hebrew Bible is a bloodthirsty evil tyrant, this doesn't mean that He actually is.How do you know that slaughtering humans isn't a good thing in the divine courts?

Who knows just how over populated our planet would be right now, if we didn't get a good old rathfull ass kicking here and there.

Judge God based on what laws?Just because by human standards the God fo the Hebrew Bible is a bloodthirsty evil tyrant, this doesn't mean that He actually is.How do you know that slaughtering humans isn't a good thing in the divine courts?The only laws we have are the laws of man.
Nothing has ever been written or spoken that was not written or spoken by man.If He looks like a tyrant then what else can we call Him. A loving tyrant? A tyrant that does not really want to kill us but He loves us and that is why He kills us.If your divine court says that it is OK to use genocide on humans then you can shove your divine court up God's divine ass.Regards
DL

Again, you are making assertions. How do you know that he does not quarrel with 'meat'? No. Oh, that Noah. Wait are you reading the Bible literally or not? Pick a side man. Man can judge a stroy to be ridiculous, boring, stupid, nonsensical etc, but, to judge God you would need to know for certain that God exists, and is the type of entity that can be judged. Since there is no way of knowing that, your statement is nonsensical. See, I can judge you though. So, you had a spiritual experience and you created your own version of God? You are no better than the people who wrote the Bible that you claim were wrong in what they wrote. They had a spiritual experience and wrote about it, you had one too and are writing about it here, what makes you any better? Why should your subjective experience be worth more than someone elses? Thats not what I said, and you are judging beliefs in God. You claim superiority in your belief and in your God. This is religious arrogance, the same that is shown by the very fundamentalist that you ridicule so much. You just do it at a more toned down level. But you are showing arrogance in your belief in God.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

So, you had a spiritual experience and you created your own version of God? You are no better than the people who wrote the Bible that you claim were wrong in what they wrote. They had a spiritual experience and wrote about it, you had one too and are writing about it here, what makes you any better? Why should your subjective experience be worth more than someone elses?"I do not judge belief. I only judge Gods. There are many of each.Thats not what I said, and you are judging beliefs in God. You claim superiority in your belief and in your God. This is religious arrogance, the same that is shown by the very fundamentalist that you ridicule so much. You just do it at a more toned down level. But you are showing arrogance in your belief in God."I judged your other comments to not be worthy of thought.Firstly, I cannot judge anyone's beliefs. Ii cannot tell the contexts of their belief. I accept that they have a belief.There is nothing wrong with well placed arrogance. Mine is not based on a talking snake so I resent the association.We then look at the issue and then the fight starts.My God is not superior to the miracle making God. He is just real.I am not better than the writers of scripture, they, like all of us today do the best with what we have. I just have the update.My experience in speaking to God is no better than anyone else's. There are just very few of us who have.I have. Have you? Who then should teach who?Regards
DL

I think you mean to say that you think He is real.You cannot claim that He actually is difinitively real, unless you can show that He is real.Unless you actually have something to show, other than your imagination?

That just put me as another of many voices.There is no proof of God that can be shown. Non corporeal remember.
No faith gives God substance.While my wife lives I have a witness to telepathy and while I live I will say that I made contact with the mind of God one time.That is all I need.If others need more, they will not find it in me.God, my God that is, does not do miracles. Just words as rendered through me.Regards
DL

Again, you think you made contact with the mind of God. Without being able to show such, you cannot difinitively say that it is correct. Or are you beyond making mistakes? A perfect human perhaps? Then why bother trying to convince others by posting such drivel? If that's all you need, be happy and keep it to yourself. It seems to me that you require outside acknowledgement, otherwise you wouldn't find it necessary to proclaim your unsupported assertions. Of course they won't. Because it is no different from anything else you have thoughts about. How could others possible get more support for something that only exists within your imgaination?

You ask the impossible.Firstly, is there any proof that you would accept. There is none so there is nothing I can tell you for an answer. No religion has the proof that you seek. If so name it.Secondly, I do not claim perfection except in the sense that perfection is always in flux or in evolution. We are all perfect at any given moment but the next moment can and does make us better. Like in a more perfect union as the US constitution says.
I include you in this definition of perfection.What other than a miracle would you believe?Regards
DL

I likely wouldn't believe a miracle.But I certainly would believe any reliable, objective support from reality.Otherwise I cannot tell the difference between:Your claim being an actual part of reality.
Your claim being only a part of your imagination.If it is impossible for you to show such a difference with your claim, then I simply ask for you to stop claiming that you have definitive knowledge of a portion of reality. For, obviously, it's quite possible that it certainly is no more than your imagination.

You seek a death to religion.Good luck.In the meantime I like all others in the world will speak of what I know and believe.Regards
DL

How exactly do you plan to do that? I am not entirely convinced that you are even for sure what that is. You claim, that the God in your head does not do miracles, then go on to claim that God is speaking directly to you. Which I am not for sure....let me check in my miracle book here..... Yes, indeed, direct intervention from God through commincation that only one person can percieve is indeed a miracle. Or a sign of delusion, which may require the need for conseling and lithium. That is for society to judge. Edited by rueh, : No reason given.

just keep on talking.Communication with God I do not call a miracle. This communication is triggered by man, not God. He responds, He does not initiate.The cosmic conscience is our next evolution. It is a natural progression. No miracles.If God wanted us to believe in miracles He would have left one here for us to contemplate. He has not and cannot do miracles.We attribute miracles to God wrongly. They are a human want only.Regards
DL

Did you really? Stay focused, you did pass judgment on not only the people who wrote the Bible, but on those who read it literally. It is their belief that it must be done this way. If you say they are wrong and you are right in the way you believe, then you have passed judgement on their process of belief. So, admit to passing judgement and move on from it. Then don't associate yourself with people of faith. You placed yourself in their company by being a person who believes in God. No matter what version you've made up for yourself. You have faith, they have faith, you are BOTH people of faith. You are associated by default.Yours may be based on your version but, since you can't provide evidence for your version being any more real than their version, you both are equally believers in a faith based belief system. Neither better than the other. In what sense? Where is he located so that I may see him? Don't say I have to experience him because I hate to burst your bubble but, thats what the people who believe in the talking snake God say too. You are both equally placing faith in your versions of God. Oh, so you have the God 10.0 version. I have had spiritual experiences but I don't attribute it to a God. It was a subjective experience, period.I suggest you don't teach anyone anything 'cause you are clearly talking shit at this point.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky