Is the Bible the Word of God?

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Originally posted by redstang281:
Wow, how come he didn't get fired as a teacher for 14 years?

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Comets are big chunks of ice in space ... discuss.

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Originally posted by redstang281:
So are you saying it's impossible to have ice in space?

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No I am saying that it sublimates off....Comets are big chunks of dirty ice behind them trails a long (several A.U in some cases) tail of... get this water vapour.... but hang on you say water is only a vapour at 100 degrees C (373 K) and its colder than that in space...The answer is that as pressure drops the boiling point does as well so out in space in near perfect vacuum ice vapourises due to vapour pressure.....

No they weren't....his repply adressed NONE of my three questions on his seminars.Yes,hovind taught science for 15 years and it would seem forgot to actually KNOW what he was teaching...a parrot can repeat what you say but does he understand what he's repeating?

[QUOTE][b]The answer is that as pressure drops the boiling point does as well so out in space in near perfect vacuum ice vapourises due to vapour pressure.....[/QUOTE][/b]Well you need sunlight too. Ice, when frozen solid enough and (even better) coated with a nice layer of dust can hang around for a while even in space. But when exposed to sunlight and solar wind it suddenly notices the vacuum and "poof". Comets are dark on the edges of the Solar System but when they get to about the orbit of Jupiter the vaporizing begins. Earth is way too close in for ice to be stable in sunlight nearby.

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Wow, how come he didn't get fired as a teacher for 14 years?

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Quality control is not one of the saving virtues of the US educational system.

[QUOTE][b]If you're so big and tough you should be able to call Hovind.[/QUOTE][/b]Why? You can't defend your own ideas? Here's an idea, you invest in your own long-distance service and call Hovind and ask him Ludvan's questions. [QUOTE][b]I was explaining what the Bible said the firmament was, I didn't say I could scientifically prove there ever was a canopy. Duh...[/QUOTE][/b]LOL, Duuuuuuhhhhh [QUOTE][b]Are you afriad of my questions? If I'm so below your level why do you even bother replying? [/QUOTE][/b]Good question. There doesn't seem to be much material in your responses anymore. [QUOTE][b]But if you are speaking of molecules to man evolution, then you are speaking on pure unsubstantiated conjector in which the fossil record does not support.[/QUOTE][/b]And yet the best you can do is claim that all transitional fossils ever found are hoaxes. Like the aluminum-foil-clad paranoid conspiracy theorist who is convinced that the world is out to get him, you believe that anything that rains on your worldview is automatically a hoax to mislead you. Yet you have no evidence and continue to rant accusations. That road leads not to victory in a debate, it leads to nuthouse. [QUOTE][b]Something that has failed, yet people still have "faith" in it.[/QUOTE][/b]Yet you cannot show it has failed, you simply believe it has and you have consistently failed to substantiate your point. [QUOTE][b]Let me ask you this, if one transitional fossil has been proven to be a hoax to what reason do we have to believe any of them? [/QUOTE][/b]Because more transitionals are being found and there is no evidence that they are hoaxes. Just because you might find a three legged cat does not mean all cats have three legs, and the reasoning you are using here is unfounded and ridiculous. [QUOTE][b]How do we know they aren't hoaxes that just haven't been uncovered yet?[/QUOTE][/b]Because the few instances of hoaxes were found in a matter of a couple of years or less for one. Why would we believe that all transitionals are hoaxes? There is only one possible reason for that, and that is to try to find some way, any way we can, to claim that evolution is wrong.[QUOTES][b]Are you convinced of it's true nature?[/QUOTE][/b]Unless you can show it is a hoax, is there any reason to think it is? Other than, "Because evolution is wrong!!!" or some similarly weak attempt? [QUOTE][b]How do we known any transitional fossil won't be proven later to be a hoax?[/QUOTE][/b]Again, what makes us think they are a hoax, other than your unfounded belief that evolution is wrong?How do we know, for that matter, that gravity won't suddenly reverse directions tomorrow? [QUOTE][b]I doubt the creationist intentionally lied about it.[/QUOTE][/b]He took a railroad tie and baked it, then immersed it in a sauce frequently used in Asian cooking, then invented a story about finding it on a mountainside in the Middle East. After Sun Pictures put it on TV, he issued a statement explaining in detail about where he got the fragment, how he prepared it, and how he created the story around it.Now, does it sound like he intentionally lied about it? Will you believe in anything that you think supports your position?

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Originally posted by gene90:
Well you need sunlight too. Ice, when frozen solid enough and (even better) coated with a nice layer of dust can hang around for a while even in space. But when exposed to sunlight and solar wind it suddenly notices the vacuum and "poof". Comets are dark on the edges of the Solar System but when they get to about the orbit of Jupiter the vaporizing begins. Earth is way too close in for ice to be stable in sunlight nearby.

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Yep quite right but I thought we were talking about the sort of conditions you get near earth i.e. where the "canopy" or whatever it is would be.....

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Originally posted by joz:
No I am saying that it sublimates off....

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Comets are big chunks of dirty ice behind them trails a long (several A.U in some cases) tail of... get this water vapour.... but hang on you say water is only a vapour at 100 degrees C (373 K) and its colder than that in space...

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The answer is that as pressure drops the boiling point does as well so out in space in near perfect vacuum ice vapourises due to vapour pressure.....

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So what you're saying is the ice canopy could not exist because the ice would break apart into comets?

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Originally posted by LudvanB:
No they weren't....his repply adressed NONE of my three questions on his seminars.

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So you only had three questions?Why not post them on here in a new thread? Or email them to me. [b] [QUOTE] Yes,hovind taught science for 15 years and it would seem forgot to actually KNOW what he was teaching...a parrot can repeat what you say but does he understand what he's repeating?[/b][/QUOTE]So for 15 years the students never asked him any technical science questions?

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Originally posted by gene90:
Quality control is not one of the saving virtues of the US educational system.

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I guess it's just kinda slow, huh?

[b] [QUOTE] Why? You can't defend your own ideas? Here's an idea, you invest in your own long-distance service and call Hovind and ask him Ludvan's questions.
[/b][/QUOTE]I was just explaning what firmament was. I don't have to justify my beliefs to Ludvan. [b] [QUOTE] Because more transitionals are being found and there is no evidence that they are hoaxes. Just because you might find a three legged cat does not mean all cats have three legs, and the reasoning you are using here is unfounded and ridiculous.
[/b][/QUOTE]Scientist have created fraudulant fossils in the past, so I have no reason to trust them now. [b] [QUOTE] Again, what makes us think they are a hoax, other than your unfounded belief that evolution is wrong?
[/b][/QUOTE]Because of the high demand for scientist to find transitionally fossils. As soon as one is found the scientist is instantly famous. It's like the temptation for athletes to take steroids. [b] [QUOTE] How do we know, for that matter, that gravity won't suddenly reverse directions tomorrow?
[/b][/QUOTE]I guess it could if God wanted it to. [b] [QUOTE] He took a railroad tie and baked it, then immersed it in a sauce frequently used in Asian cooking, then invented a story about finding it on a mountainside in the Middle East. After Sun Pictures put it on TV, he issued a statement explaining in detail about where he got the fragment, how he prepared it, and how he created the story around it.
[/b][/QUOTE]And he was a creationist? He was probably an under cover evolutionist

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Originally posted by KingPenguin:
this is where the human factor comes into play, no one ever knows what they'll do or even can do. Im sure some facts and stories are tainted to benefit the author; the movie dogma has some funny theories about that. I am however sure that god's message of salvation of men/mankind does get through. I'll repeat something i said before, whats the point of existence if nothing is gained other than offspring and maybe just maybe a beneficial gene. There is no point for an individual to even bother living if everything they do has no meaning or purpose. If i'm here simply to be a slave to my boss or whatever scientist created us i wouldnt be able to motivate myself to do anything, let alone bring children in the world to face the same inevitable fate and loneliness. i know part of believing is that mankind in general needs to feel that it has a purpose for living and that someone cares for them, and god kindly provides all of this for us. However humans are way to bent on their religion, faith in the father, the son and the holy spirit is what saves your soul from damnation not whatever particular religion your in.

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One more thing... a question for those that are not faithful. Whats your motivation for living if you'll cease to exist in every way?

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My motivation for living? What kind of question is that?I love taking in the world with all of my senses. I love interacting with the world. I love figuring things out, thinking about things. I love teaching. I love learning. I love doing.I love life!Nobody actually knows if there is life after death, so to speak. One can have faith, but nobody really knows. I live my life as if it matters what I do here and now, not because of fear of eternal retribution or hope of eternal reward. My actions have consequenses here and now, and will have ripple effects for as long as the Earth exists.------------------
"We will still have perfect freedom to hold contrary views of our own, but to simply
close our minds to the knowledge painstakingly accumulated by hundreds of thousands
of scientists over long centuries is to deliberately decide to be ignorant and narrow-
minded."-Steve Allen, from "Dumbth"

i had quite a lot more than three questions but i chose to limit myself the three that were the most obvious to me...here they are.1-Dr Hovind affirm that Noah did take the dinosaurs onto the ark with him in couples gigantic dinosaures like brachiosaurus,diplodocus,stegosaurus,and brontosaurus,who each weight several hundred tons and require their weight in food every couple of days,and in the case of brachiosaurus,pools of water large enough for them to dwell in since they spent the vast majority of their lives in water,due to their large weight. My question was,given the fact that the Bible is quite clear on this and that it was ADULTS animals that Noah took on the ark with him(a mate implies that the animal has reached sexual maturity,otherwise it would have no mate),how could there have been room for any other animals on the ark if those 8 had been present?2- Dr Hovind,you often implied that before the alledged flood,humans grew to be 10-11 feet tall. How come we cant find a single skeleton or skull that belonged to one of these giants anywhere on earth and yet we can find near complete skeletons of every other animals?3- Dr Hovind,you often implied that Adolf Hittler was an avowed evolutionist and that this was his sole driving force,how come you never mention in your seminar,when quoting his book Mein Kaft,that Hitler believed that he was doing God's work as it is writen several times in his book? You have no problem with saying that he was(in his own twisted way) an evolutionist,yet you make complete abstraction that he was a bible believing christian...i wonder why that is...there you go

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[b] [QUOTE] 1-Dr Hovind affirm that Noah did take the dinosaurs onto the ark with him in couples gigantic dinosaures like brachiosaurus,diplodocus,stegosaurus,and brontosaurus,who each weight several hundred tons and require their weight in food every couple of days,and in the case of brachiosaurus,pools of water large enough for them to dwell in since they spent the vast majority of their lives in water,due to their large weight. My question was,given the fact that the Bible is quite clear on this and that it was ADULTS animals that Noah took on the ark with him(a mate implies that the animal has reached sexual maturity,otherwise it would have no mate),how could there have been room for any other animals on the ark if those 8 had been present?
[/b][/QUOTE]I asked you and was hoping you'd start a new thread.Anyways, yes he did answer these questions.Noah took baby dinosaurs, and no mate does not imply sexual maturity. [b] [QUOTE] 2- Dr Hovind,you often implied that before the alledged flood,humans grew to be 10-11 feet tall. How come we cant find a single skeleton or skull that belonged to one of these giants anywhere on earth and yet we can find near complete skeletons of every other animals?
[/b][/QUOTE]He showed pictures of Human skeletons that big on one of his tapes. Also most of the pre-flood humans would not have been fossilized because human's are smarter than animals and would avoid drowning longer. Also, this is assuming that evolutionist would submit such a find such as 11 foot skeletons. Wouldn't an 11 foot skeleton hurt the theory of evolution? You can't send the fox to guard the hen house you know. [b] [QUOTE] 3- Dr Hovind,you often implied that Adolf Hittler was an avowed evolutionist and that this was his sole driving force,how come you never mention in your seminar,when quoting his book Mein Kaft,that Hitler believed that he was doing God's work as it is writen several times in his book? You have no problem with saying that he was(in his own twisted way) an evolutionist,yet you make complete abstraction that he was a bible believing christian...i wonder why that is...
[/b][/QUOTE]Some people still believe in God yet accept all aspect of the theory of evolution. (in otherwords compromising the bible's direct teachings.) Besides what God was hitler speaking of?

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[QUOTE][b]So for 15 years the students never asked him any technical science questions?[/QUOTE][/b]If they did, he probably just responded with babble.