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Topic: Atheism Examined
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Message 256 of 300 (391366)
03-24-2007 7:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 239 by RAZD
03-22-2007 10:23 PM
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Re: The important things are... too important.
Then why is the proportion of christians in jail essentially the same as the proportion of christians in the general population? Last stats I heard was that 80% of US citizens claimed to be Christian. Some gave being born in America as the reason. But just because you claim to be a Christian does not mean you are. BTW I am not perfect so I don't claim to be Christ Like but I am working on it.
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Message 257 of 300 (391373)
03-24-2007 7:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 255 by RAZD
03-24-2007 2:21 PM
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Re: The important things are... too important.
RAZD writes: I've not seen evidence that any two people believe exactly the same things. I agree. That is why it is great to live in a country where Atheist, Christian, Muslim, Hindu and any other religion can air their beliefs without fear of reprisals from the government, so far.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 258 of 300 (391374)
03-24-2007 7:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 242 by Stile
03-23-2007 9:32 AM
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Re: The important things are... too important.
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I actually think it's a good thing to keep around as well. I mentioned briefly in a reply to Tazmanian Devil that Religion can be very useful to people on the terms of "a source of comfort and companionship" ...and even strength. These, I would not discount. These are powerful supports that every person should be entitled too. And if some people can only find them in Religion, then I'm glad Religion is around to provide that for them. My main concern is when Religion starts meddling in things it really shouldn't be meddling in. School curriculums and social morals come to mind here. Basically, I think it's about time Relgion got the talking to it deserves: "Know your role". Get out of politics. Get out of education. Put your efforts into those places where they are supposed to be... helping people.
Well then, Buddhism and Unitarianism for all!
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nator
Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 259 of 300 (391376)
03-24-2007 7:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 257 by ICANT
03-24-2007 7:46 PM
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Re: The important things are... too important.
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That is why it is great to live in a country where Atheist, Christian, Muslim, Hindu and any other religion can air their beliefs without fear of reprisals from the government, so far.
You think that Muslims and Athiests don't legitimately fear reprisals from our governement? The first Bush said that he didn't think that Atheists should be considered patriots or citizens. I need not explain the fear that Muslims have.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 260 of 300 (391377)
03-24-2007 7:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 256 by ICANT
03-24-2007 7:30 PM
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Re: The important things are... too important.
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But just because you claim to be a Christian does not mean you are.
Who decides, if not the person making the claim?
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anglagard
Member (Idle past 864 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: 03-18-2006
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Message 261 of 300 (391385)
03-24-2007 8:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 260 by nator
03-24-2007 7:56 PM
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Re: The important things are... too important.
Nator writes: Who decides, if not the person making the claim? One of the great things about fundamentalism is that someone else makes your decisions for you. Please contact your local cult leader to determine who is what. No thinking required.
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Message 262 of 300 (391391)
03-24-2007 8:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 260 by nator
03-24-2007 7:56 PM
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Re: The important things are... too important.
Who decides, if not the person making the claim? The disciples were first called little Christos at Antioch. They were living a life like Christ.
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jar
Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 263 of 300 (391395)
03-24-2007 9:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 256 by ICANT
03-24-2007 7:30 PM
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More of the Real Christian nonsense.
But just because you claim to be a Christian does not mean you are. I'm sorry but that is simply laughable. If someone claims to be a Christian and is so recognized by one of the organizations of Christians, they are a Christian.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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tudwell
Member (Idle past 6006 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: 08-20-2006
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Message 264 of 300 (391397)
03-24-2007 10:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 262 by ICANT
03-24-2007 8:55 PM
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Re: The important things are... too important.
If I'm not mistaken, your definition of Christian is someone who lives a life like Christ. I think everyone else will settle for someone who belongs to a Christian church and/or claims to be a Christian. And if you could adopt this definition for the sake of argument, it would make things much clearer and easier.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 265 of 300 (391398)
03-24-2007 10:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 262 by ICANT
03-24-2007 8:55 PM
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Re: The important things are... too important.
ICANT writes: They were living a life like Christ. The key word there is "like". How much "like Christ" do they have to be to pass muster with you? And how do you define "like Christ"? Could an atheist be "like Christ"?
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Message 266 of 300 (391431)
03-25-2007 12:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 265 by ringo
03-24-2007 10:24 PM
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Re: The important things are... too important.
Ringo writes: Could an atheist be "like Christ"? Sure many have. All you have to do is believe in God and be born again.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 267 of 300 (391436)
03-25-2007 12:30 AM
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Reply to: Message 266 by ICANT
03-25-2007 12:21 AM
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Re: The important things are... too important.
ICANT writes: Could an atheist be "like Christ"? Sure many have. All you have to do is believe in God and be born again. Huh? Did you even read the question? I asked if an atheist could be a Christian.
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Trae
Member (Idle past 4333 days) Posts: 442 From: Fremont, CA, USA Joined: 06-18-2004
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Message 268 of 300 (391458)
03-25-2007 4:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 55 by Dr Jack
03-11-2007 7:22 AM
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Re: Rebutting myths about atheism
I disagree, absence of evidence is never evidence of absence.
There is a point where this starts getting toss out like a mantra without understanding what is meant here and that there are limits to how this rule is applied. Lack of trace evidence can certainly be considered to be evidence. If I put my hand in my jeans pocket and can’t find my fairly large set of car keys it becomes simply silly for someone to argue I cannot say there is no evidence that my keys are absent from that pocket. If I leave my house and the sidewalks, the street, and my house are dry, I can safely conclude it not only is not raining, but that it was not raining 5, 10, or 15 minutes ago. Science does a great job at detecting the effects of causes, even in cases where the cause is neither directly detectable nor directly observable. And on the general topic (not addressed specifically to you)... My being an atheist is not based on what I can’t know and can’t check. Instead it is based on evaluating the claims of Christians themselves and finding support for those claims lacking. Now maybe there is some being out there that is more limited or very different then the claims of Christians. Even so, I don’t have a belief in that being. So I remain A (without a) theist (belief).
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nator
Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 269 of 300 (391465)
03-25-2007 7:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 262 by ICANT
03-24-2007 8:55 PM
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Re: The important things are... too important.
Who decides, if not the person making the claim? quote:
The disciples were first called little Christos at Antioch. They were living a life like Christ.
Who gets to decide if they are living a life like Christ?
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nator
Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 270 of 300 (391467)
03-25-2007 7:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 266 by ICANT
03-25-2007 12:21 AM
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Re: The important things are... too important.
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All you have to do is believe in God and be born again.
Who decides if someone believes in God? Who decides if someone is "born again"?
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