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Topic: why do you believe ?
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bulldog98
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Message 31 of 40 (40419)
05-16-2003 11:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 29 by Peter 05-16-2003 7:14 AM
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quote: I don't think it's our brains that make us worry about these things, but that we have mental capacity to spare in the western world (otherwise we wouldn't be fiddling about on this forum, would we? )
Ah, but people have worried about these things long before we had much "leisure time." It was certainly on the mind of the Hebrews in Egypt--and I doubt they had much time to sit around and chew the fat.
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DC85
Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: 05-06-2003
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Message 32 of 40 (40453)
05-16-2003 6:04 PM
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well Myabe animals Don't know they are going to Die but they seem to know when others do..... I have observed in My Hamsters them covering the Body of there former Cagemate up. and I have also seen these Animals seem to get Depressed when this Happens. I had one that wouldn't move at all after the "friend" died IT hardly ate or did anyhting at all. a week later I got it a new "Friend" But it didn't seem to care at all it just sat. then it finally died......... also My Cat comforts me when I am sick so its Smart enough to Know that..... do animals have more feelings then we give them credit for? [This message has been edited by DC85, 05-16-2003]
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Peter
Member (Idle past 1802 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: 02-05-2002
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Message 33 of 40 (40495)
05-17-2003 6:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 31 by bulldog98 05-16-2003 11:35 AM
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Hmm ... that's true (also I take schraf's point).
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John
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Message 34 of 40 (40502)
05-17-2003 11:12 AM
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Reply to: Message 31 by bulldog98 05-16-2003 11:35 AM
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quote: Ah, but people have worried about these things long before we had much "leisure time."
We tend to believe that we are rolling in leisure time compared to those 'primative' folk, ( despite complaining about having no leisure time  ) but actually the reverse is true. Hunter/gatherers, nomadic herders, and simple agricultural societies all have more free time than we do. It is a function of complexity really. ------------------
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1790 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 35 of 40 (40520)
05-17-2003 4:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 34 by John 05-17-2003 11:12 AM
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On the other hand, they don't have video games. I guess I'll keep my 9-to-5. No offence.
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John
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Message 36 of 40 (40526)
05-17-2003 6:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 35 by crashfrog 05-17-2003 4:39 PM
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quote: On the other hand, they don't have video games.
Yes. Good point. The trade off is that within complex societies you have much more opportunity to choose what you do with your time, both labor time and leisure time. Hunter/gatherer societies have pretty much one occupation-- clubbing bunnies. Entertainment pretty much equals social life-- utter hell, as far as I am concerned. ------------------
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nator
Member (Idle past 2493 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 37 of 40 (40557)
05-18-2003 9:00 AM
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Reply to: Message 33 by Peter 05-17-2003 6:52 AM
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I was surprised to learn that rain forest cultures and others have significantly more liesure time than western cultures, but it makes sense onece you think about it. Lots of food around...no "stuff" to buy or sell, etc. Sadly, this is starting to be impossible as subsistence groups are pushed off of the best land.
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nator
Member (Idle past 2493 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 38 of 40 (40558)
05-18-2003 9:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 36 by John 05-17-2003 6:02 PM
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quote: The trade off is that within complex societies you have much more opportunity to choose what you do with your time, both labor time and leisure time. Hunter/gatherer societies have pretty much one occupation-- clubbing bunnies. Entertainment pretty much equals social life-- utter hell, as far as I am concerned.
Yes, but I'll bet they get an awful lot more nookie than people in Western cultures.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1790 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Message 39 of 40 (40592)
05-18-2003 5:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 38 by nator 05-18-2003 9:03 AM
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Yes, but I'll bet they get an awful lot more nookie than people in Western cultures. Speak for yourself.  Stands to reason, of course - there's nothing else to do, but... um, you know.
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Peter
Member (Idle past 1802 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: 02-05-2002
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Message 40 of 40 (40621)
05-19-2003 5:47 AM
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Reply to: Message 39 by crashfrog 05-18-2003 5:16 PM
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Maybe it's all about 'quality of life' then ... Perhaps people worry about death more if they are dissatisfied with aspects of their life ... and have the time to lament it. In the west we tend to have time to think about other stuff while being stuck on our offices (or cars going to meetings etc.) ... less technological cultures tend (I think) to require full focus on tasks to get them done right, then can forget about them entirely during rest/leisure time. Dunno ... just a thought.
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