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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The question is this: What is/was the original meaning, intent, and expected target audience? A very, very good question. Is there any difference between two forms of communication, one a letter sent to you and the other a message posted here at EvC? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Jar writes: Ordinarily, yes. If both communications become public, however, the question would be whether the letter was intended to be used for public edification or whether it was to be addressed and understood in a limited and private context. Is there any difference between two forms of communication, one a letter sent to you and the other a message posted here at EvC? Are you suggesting that Pauls letters from jail were never intended by the author to become a widely published book?And then there is the question of who the author really is. "Who wrote that?""Christ in me." Yeah? Tell it to the judge!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If both communications become public, however, the question would be whether the letter was intended to be used for public edification or whether it was to be addressed and understood in a limited and private context. I don't think there would be much question on that. If it was addressed to you, it was meant for you. That does not mean that others might not benefit from reading a private comminication. We often find that letters from an individual can help understand an issue, a time, or a culture.
Are you suggesting that Pauls letters from jail were never intended by the author to become a widely published book? No, not suggesting. I think it quite clear that all of Paul's Epistles were personal communications between Paul and either an individual or specific communion. For example, Romans was written to the Christians in Rome;
1: Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2: (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3: Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4: And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 6: Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ: 7: To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. The Epistles are just as they are named, letters. They are not general broadsides like the Gospels or Historical summaries like Acts. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1271 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
There are reasons* to why I'm approaching your theory skeptically because there are many cultural evidences that are logical in regards to a literal belief, I will explain myself further and I'm interested in the buzz charlies been talking about.
*typo This message has been edited by chris porcelain, 04-01-2005 11:11 PM
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1271 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: this passage troubles me because a people that would take their God that seriously, why would they question the scripture that* is their tradition, their culture, their family tree and their livelyhood? The means by which a common Israelite would question their forefathers and their God has yet to be seen either. I mean if they were seeing men heal the sick and restore the blind's sight then why would they have doubts about their God destroying a town? This message has been edited by messenjaH of oNe, 04-02-2005 05:56 PM This message has been edited by messenjaH of oNe, 04-02-2005 05:57 PM
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You have to remember that there is nothing even similar to that passage outside John. In fact, much of John seems designed to place the Jews in as bad a light as possible.
This is one of those passages. The incident, even though you might think something like this might be noted, is not mentioned anywhere else. In addition, it stands in stark contrast to how everything is shown in EVERY other book of the New Testament. But even considering all of that, I don't see where you get your interpretation. In this passage I don't see any signs of the protagonists taking GOD seriously, but rather their prerogatives and prejudices. It's not that they take GOD seriously but rather they see man as restricted. But the question was on how Jesus took the passges and there, every indication is that he used the stories just as he did the tale of the houses, the good steward or the prodigal son. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Hi, M1, you have to realise the foment that was occuring through the region during those times. Many small groups were pushing their agenda, magic healers and messianic pretenders were trying to develop followers, the occupying power may even have been playing groups against each other. Along comes Jesus with a different message and outrageous claims. Did the stoners actually witness the miracles? Were there ANY miracles?
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1271 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: what about matthew 27:24-25 Did Abraham Isaac and Jacob exist? "You are in error because you do not know the scriptures or the power of God"matt21:29
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1271 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Well throughout the new testament it says Jesus performs miracles.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1271 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
When it comes down to it you either are comfortable in believing that your religion has no history that the prophets could have been uneducated saying filler statements that Jesus would scare people equipped with the only history they knew ready to speak about 2nd comings and morals and ethics and this God that was written about in this scriptures as the God of ABRAHAM MOSES DAVID SOLOMON ISAIAH EZEKIEL and some people could be comfortable in accepting that none of these people never existed.
That God never helped this guy named Moses out and did some bad things to the Egyptians for no good reason.That God's people never had a rich history and that they made up these fantastical stories to give pride to their culture. That there is a creator A GOD, people don't realize the emphasis of this statement A GOD, they think they see it you can’t see it, how can you explain something that made your little miniscule self with limited mobility of the mind. This creator likes you, he sees himself in you, he loves your imperfections and gives you ways of being perfect so you can see him! The only reason to why I’m holding this conversation is because I’m perplexed at a Christian that thinks a God would be okay with telling fibs and putting fantastical stories in the minds of men that potentially show an imperfect human, not a God and he would be okay, to come back as a human and use these human, THESE HUMAN STORIES, these accounts that could villianize him, make him look horrible, make him be human(look at Job) God would be okay to come back and use these phony stories to teach his beloved people? CAN YOU BELIEVE A GOD WOULD RESPECT A STORY MADE BY MAN ABOUT HIS QUALITIES? HE WOULD INSTRUCT PEOPLE TO READ IT. HE WOULD BE TEMPTED BY THIS ENTITY THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE A PART OF HIMSELF BUT COULDNT BECAUSE THIS NASTY THING IS WORLDLY AND OFFERS NOTHING BUT MEN AND THEIR SWEAT, MAN'S GLORY? CHRIST USED SCRIPTURE TO COMBAT SATAN, WHY WOULD HE? WHAT IS MANS GLORY TO A GOD? WHAT IS MANS WRITING TO GOD IF IT IS FLAWED IF IT IS NOT BEAUTIFUL IF IT IS NOT TRUE. I CAN’T SEE A GOD THAT RESPECTS WIVES TALES, CREATED IN THE PRETENSE TO SCARE PEOPLE, IS THAT NOT TRUE? WHY WOULD A WRITER WRITE A STORY OF GODS WRATH THATS NOT TRUE? Think about it !The only reason could be to scare the people. That’s a human tactic, this stupid tactic that’s an imperfect tactic that writing doesn’t belong in the kingdom of God. It is not real? It is simply a fictitious story, what is the point? edit:I added a few punctuation marks, thanks phat for fixing it up
This life is so real and a God that is so real is accompanied with this life This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 04-03-2005 02:43 AM This message has been edited by chris porcelain, 04-03-2005 10:58 AM im going to find it soon
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
what about matthew 27:24-25 What possible relationship does that have?
Did Abraham Isaac and Jacob exist? As individuals? Don't know. It's possible they existed as individuals but more likely as composites. We're having an interesting discussion related to them in Message 1. Come on over. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
God is NOT the Bible.
The Bible is NOT GOD. The Map is NOT the Territory. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1271 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1271 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Yeagh but the God of Jesus is the God of Abraham, the God of Jesus is the God of the scripture of the OT.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1271 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: An anti-semitic painting of the ppl, just like in John when they try to stone Christ
quote: Why would Jesus follow the God of nothing. Of a fake history? This message has been edited by chris porcelain, 04-03-2005 10:43 AM im going to find it soon
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