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Percipient,1)The YEC scientists have never said they didn't like science but they are saying that evolution is not science. And many evolutionists are becoming creationists. Look at Duane Gish. I believe he has debated over 300 evolutionists over 30 years and there are many who will not debate him. Were not here to tear eachother apart with insults but to look at the facts. They do have some of their conferences at churches but many are not. I just went to one that was at a banquet hall. There were like 5,000 people there. Without a doubt I believe there were people there who are not Christians.2)So all your claims about them "cheating" or being "liars" or whatever, where is your evidence if you don't mind? Whats great about YEC we start with the One who was there and has the answer. But we are sinful-fallen-brain creatures. There is much deception in the world today(the occult). As an evolutionists do you believe your evolving to a god-like stage? Because this theory is increasingly daily in the world.

Coragyps,I believe animals ate plants and bugs and things like that because they didn't have the same life principle as a giraffe for example. For one example look at the teeth on a panda. It has sharp teeth like a cat but it eats plants. I believe if God created everything perfect He wouldn't have had animals eating eachother and it says He didn't. But there has been a change since the fall. We don't know what a perfect world is like.

Bugs don't die if eaten? That's a surprise!

Hi Drum,I don't normally express myself in such black and white terms as I did in the prior message, but you were missing a point that had been made to you several times so I tried yet another approach. And you still seem to be missing the point.The original point being made to you wasn't about whether Creationists are liars or whether Duane Gish was an evolutionist, but was about what you think of a website that purposefully misstates information. As near as I can tell (and you don't make it easy to tell), you're attempting to make the case that their misstatement wasn't with knowledge and forethought.As someone else has already pointed out, their mistake is small potatoes as far as Creationist whoppers go, but it's the whopper currently under discussion, and I'm satisfied to stick with it.Addressing some of your other points: Creationists have been saying this for over half a century. It's as false today as it ever was. What Creationist website told you this? Whichever one it was, they're lieing. They lie because they're not interested in truth but in protecting the faith. You don't even need to do any investigating to know this is a lie because if it were true boards like this would be full of former biology professors who could argue the issues knowledgably, and the science at Creationist websites wouldn't be so pathetic, and journals would be publishing the evidence that convinced so many evolutionists to become Creationists, and Time and Newsweek would be noting the stunning reversal as school boards across the country added Creationism to the curriculum. But none of that is happening, is it?So what website told you this? What do you think of a Creationist website that knowingly states misinformation? Individuals don't evolve, so no, I don't believe I'm evolving to anything, including "a god-like stage." Evolution, as you've been told many times here, has no innate direction. Science takes no position pro or con regarding the supernatural, and would never incorporate such concepts into theory.You seem to have gotten the definition of evolution confused with all kinds of mumbo-jumbo competing-with-God nonsense. It's a shame that the evolution you object to so strongly isn't the one that science actually accepts.--Percy

What is a "life principle"? You might be interested to know that the life processes that insects use are functionally the same as the life processes of "higher" animals.There's no such thing as a mystic "life force" or something. There's no animating vital force that causes things to live. That's mystic science-fiction. Life is life, and it's just a peculiar and unique combination of basic matter, the same as anything else.(Don't get me wrong, S-F fans, I LOVE science-fiction. I just don't like it in the place of science.)

"Life principle" meaning nephesh. These are animals like cattle. With flesh and blood that were not given for food but plants, bugs, etc. for animals to eat. Adam and Eve I'm sure they ate vegetables, fruits, bread, nuts, etc. but not meat. After the fall things changed because blood had to be given for their sin. Animal instincts changed because they were not originally created to eat each other.This might help your question.
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Drum, if anyone wants to contest Creationists at thir lectures, they need to be well informed on many branches of science, as well as being good speakers, and most important of all, have the microphone in their hand. Otherwise they haven't got a chance.In 5 minutes a creationist can make 20 dubious statements, which would require many hours to refute. It would not do to just say 'You are wrong. You are wrong. You are wrong.' Anyway, any opposition would soon be shouted down or evicted. These guys are generally good preachers, and know how to manage an audience - especially if most of it is on their side anyway. One would be preaching to the one or two doubters. For better to just work on keeping them out of our schools.But here down under we have a scientist who is prepared to do all this, and who is now the terror of creationists. He in Ian Plimer, a geologist. His book 'Telling Lies for God' describes their tactics and distortions, and I recommend it to you.
Mike.

Not even remotely.My question was, what fundamental difference is there between the life processes of animals and those of bugs and plants? Differences of degree are not fundamental.

Percipient,1)Do you have evidence for their false information?2)Maybe schools for example are not moving to teaching creation because creation means Creator so it means He sets the rules. But people believe that He desires to condemn them. Because there are terrible things in the world and He will not stop He's a monster. But He has provided th free gift of Salvation and peace from Him starts with ourselves. For example kids in California are being taught Islam. They are dressing up, praying and reading the Qur'an. I know one kid that's 17. He cannot even bring a Bible to school. So that's where the school is. There teaching millions In the beginning were the particles...3)Of course most evolutionists are not becoming creations but there are still many turning to the God of Love. Maybe check out this site if interested.EVOLUTIONARY PARANOIA
Acts and Facts Magazine | The Institute for Creation Research

This discussion is about what animals and man ate before the fall. At least that's what I thought it was. Was I wrong?

You're addressing all the side issues introduced simply to reinforce the original point, and you're ignoring the main point entirely. Your history is one of changing subjects rather than addressing issues, so there seems little point in moving on to new topics which you will likely also abandon.The original question to you was, what do you think of websites that make intentionally misleading statements like the one about Denton? It's actually a rhetorical question, but it would be a welcome change if you would address the issue. Seriously credibility problems have been pointed out to you concerning the websites you're using to inform your arguments - why do you continue to use them?--Percy

Okay. Maybe that was an old lecture before Denton became an evolutionists? That's my best guess. The facts are sill there. And I'm going to go through all the topics where people are asking me questions as well.

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Okay. Maybe that was an old lecture before Denton became an evolutionists? That's my best guess.

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You're still missing or avoiding the point of the question. Percy wants to know what you think of a web site which would publish such a quote and intentionally attribute it to Denton as an evolutionist.It's very simple really. Your failure to answer such a simple question candidly does not put your attitude to truth and deception in a good light.

Would any of you be willing to post exactly what was said?

Still avoiding the question?... what you think of a website that purposefully misstates information ...Your evasion and complacency is not to your credit.