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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5871 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
My point (and I suspect that Nietzsche was driving in the same direction) is that we do not need an external God because everything we call "God" is already inside us. You've accidently proven my point... If you reject an external God, then you become God...
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Rob writes: You've accidently proven my point... What do you mean, "accidentally"? I've been saying all along that I agreed with the OP.
If you reject an external God, then you become God... You're still missing my point, though: it doesn't matter whether you accept or reject an external God. The only God any of us has is our own internal perception of God. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Phat Member Posts: 18312 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Rob writes: If you reject an external God, then you become God... There is only ONE God....nobody becomes god simply by rejecting Him. A Creator of all things does not become a figment of an imagination anymore than the known universe becomes a comet!
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5871 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
There is only ONE God....nobody becomes god simply by rejecting Him. So true! Yesturday I was talking to an aquaintance and we were continuing our long discussion. He mentioned that he does not follow any authority per se. He follows his own heart (Himself). I am my own man he said... I reminded him that the devil told Eve in the garden, that on the day you eat of it, 'you shall become as God.'
A Creator of all things does not become a figment of an imagination anymore than the known universe becomes a comet! In the lyrics from one new agegroup
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5871 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
The only God any of us has is our own internal perception of God. Some perceptions are real, and others are imaginary... I perceive keys beneath my finger tips. I also may perceive that I am autonomous (which is not the same thing as freedom).
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Phat Member Posts: 18312 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Ringo writes: I dunno if I would use the word has. Lets substitute the word universe for God. The only God any of us has is our own internal perception of God. If I were to say that the only universe that exists is my own internal perception of the universe, would that be true? In other words, If reality was only everything I imagined it to be, than when I died, (according to my belief) everything would cease to exist! Im not sure of my point here, BTW....im just interjecting thoughts into the conversation!
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ramoss Member (Idle past 635 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
The opposite is also true. 'A Creator of all things' does not become reality just because someone believes in him/her/it.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 635 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
The question is..
Is the perception of God real or imaginary? When you have keys, other people will appearently perceive the same thing. There is disagreement about the perception of God. Anybody can detect the keys..and those keys can be measured by physcial instruments.Not so with God. God is undetectable by any physical means outside the brain.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5871 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
The opposite is also true. 'A Creator of all things' does not become reality just because someone believes in him/her/it. Quite right! Absolutely true! The creator was always true, or it is not true at all... Our belief (or disbelief) does not change reality!
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5871 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
The question is.. Is the perception of God real or imaginary? That is an exceptionally relevant and necessary question indeed!
God is undetectable by any physical means outside the brain. I hope you would allow me to quote from the Bible. The response to your point is stated so clearly (as opposed to our meddling words). Romans 1:19-2019 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5871 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
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Is the perception of God real or imaginary? Let us examine how one thinker adressed this issue: As David Hume said, "Take any work of divinity in your hand and ask two questions:Is it experimental? Is it mathematical? If it is neither mathematical nor experimental then commit it to the flames, for it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion." It appears Mr. Hume (like his contemporaries) did not notice that his own formula is neither experimental nor mathematical. As I steal the rest of this point from my favorite philosopher- "How do you make a statement that is metaphysically stated, in order to tell you that metaphysics is meaningless?" Interesting that it takes a spirit to deny a spirit.
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Phat Member Posts: 18312 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Who IS your favorite philosopher? And why are they your favorite?
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ramoss Member (Idle past 635 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Your quote from the bible does not counter what I said. It is some self-justification by the author of Romans for his belief in god, and he fact that his belief was not the same as others.
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Phat Member Posts: 18312 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Rob writes: You've accidently proven my point...If you reject an external God, then you become God... Interesting bit that I read in Revelation: 1)NIV writes: In other words, (the way I interpret it) God is past, present, and future. Period. Rev 1:8-- "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." 2) NIV writes: In other words, (the way I interpret it) the Beast was in the past (as Lucifer, perhaps?) Now is not perhaps because there is only One God? and yet exists in the future only for those whose names are not written in the book of life. Rev 17:8-- The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come. One thing about that book of life puzzles me, though. If ALL are saved by Gods Grace, why are only SOME written in the book?
NIV writes: Ex 32:33-34--The LORD replied to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book. Oh, Oh! wouldnt that mean that we all would get blotted out of the book, then?
NIV writes: Rev 3:5-- He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels. So what is it that we are supposed to overcome?
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Rob writes: Some perceptions are real, and others are imaginary... How can you tell which are real and which are imaginary? I would suggest that if I can discuss my perceptions with another human being - and we seem to perceive the same thing - than that is as close as I can come to "knowing" that my perception is "real". A typical example would be, "I thought I heard something, Did you hear something?" If the other person says, "No," then maybe it was my imagination. If the other person says, "That's just the cat," then maybe I did hear something. Perceptions of God are the same. If a lot of people have the same perception of God, then maybe it's real (but that doesn't mean just parroting dogmas about "God"). Since there are so many fundamentally different perceptions of God, I conclude that the perceptions are mostly imaginary. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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