If God is dead, does mankind become God?

Sorry for the confusion Ifen. It was kind of an inside joke. I was reffering to brennakimi's signature line See her profile):

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Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed; those who are cold and are not clothed.

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My point was that Eisenhower was making sense and she appears to find it meaningful (personally I agree). But if reality is actually nonsensicle, then his comments are meaningless.My point is that few of us would suggest for long that God is directionless or purposeless. Perhaps you are one of them, but not if you seek meaningful commentary. I hope that I can provide it for you.

Sense or nonsense is not a property of "What Is in Itself." Sense is a property of language. It is a meta judgement on the formation of syntactical statements in the language, and independent of the truth or falsity of the statement. "B+A+-shaving left handed=not my big toe" is nonsense in math. 2+2=5 makes sense in math. It's false, but it's not nonsense, whereas it's hard to say if the following lines are true or false, but they are nonsense, delightful though they be:Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.You are confusing levels of abstraction. True, falsity, sense, nonsense are properties of abstractions that refer to nameless What Is in Itself. That is you appear to be decieving yourself in the Zen sense. You seem to want to point at the moon but then confuse your finger pointing at the moon for the moon itself.lfen

I think you have adopted "wordview" as a second God.Instead of saying "God did it" for everything you don't understand, you now sometimes say "God did it" and sometimes you say "Worldview did it."

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why does life without a god or a worship have to be nonsensical. i think it is foolish to label every goal or every striving 'god'. that is silly. goals change, strivings can be found to be aimless. a god should not be thus.god must essentially be an exernality. goals are internal. if you wish to define god as internal, that is one thing. but if that is the case, it is a very bizarre principle and not a christian one, so i am suprised to hear you say it.

I am confusing nothing!I believe that all of what you said is in yourself. So for you it is true. That is the insanity of narcisism. It is an abstraction limited to syntactical statements not respective to truth or falsity. i do not include myself in your universe. My world is larger than you.Thank you for sharing what is neither sense nor nonsense, truth nor fiction. Just the mystery of Babylon.However, I would like to thank you in part for adding support to my suggestion that without God, man becomes God. In your case, God is appearently a simple projection of ourselves onto the universe around us. Everything revolves around the self. And that is my point.You very likely cannot understand this, but others will see it.Without God, man is his own god, which is precisely what the serpent said to Eve in the garden... 'Did God really say...' 'You shall not surely die, your eye's will be opened and you shall become as God!'

In a way, I agree with you. Those who feel a need for a god are lacking something within themselves. Those who are complete have no need for external "gods".

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Look buddy, what I am saying is very simple. It is very clear! It matters little what you think about it, or how you interpret it.It is not a second God, it is God.Our world-view, is our philosophy, is our God!They are one in the same and it is what we all obey...Now you may play interesting games by not adhering to a worldview. That does not dismiss you from this truth, because you are obeying a strategy in doing so. A strategy of defiance. A strategy of rebellion; of destruction and obfuscation. A strategy of chaos! A worldview of cynycism. A God of destruction!

Then your God is your own invention.

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There you go! It is not necessary to be a Christian or theist to see that truth! Thank you Ringo...Of course beyond that point we would likely differ. Such as:If there is no God, or God is dead or what have you, then as my personal favorite philosopher has said,

Your personal favorite philosopher is wrong.The need for an external god is like a need for heroin. Once one acquires the addiction, it is hard to get rid of it. A substitute, such as methadone, can be less harmful.But those who have never had the addiction have no need for a substitute.

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Clearly, that is very possible, and a danger for all since each man's choice to define something so essential affects all of mankind around him.That is why the first and second commandments dealt with this issue first.1. I am the Lord thine God and thou shall have no other God.2. Thou shall not create God in your own image.

God is all of one's truth assumptions and the parts and whole of his worldview. It is what he lives for. Heroin would be a replacement for God, and I think more harmful. You have no need for truth Ringo??? Then what are you talking about? God and truth are synonomous which is why Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, etc.You having no need for God is like saying you have no need for truth. Does that mean you speak lies? (comedy!)If you have no need for truth, then you must know it. Please share God with me Ringo, because I need Him...Edited by Rob, : No reason given.Edited by Rob, : I'm just stupid

You are not distinguishing the map from the territory, the thing referred to from the reference. You have conflated them and that leaves everything a muddle.When you wrote: It appears to me that you have assigned a definition to the word "God" of "reality" and then assigned the word "truth" to the same definition.Look around and pick up something, let's say it's a small object we would all agree is a "rock". Is that rock true or false?lfen

Having no need for an external god is like saying one has no need for external truth. "Truth" is not an absolute. It is only what we internalize. That's what I'm doing. First, you have to decide which route you want to take: the substitute (methadone) or cold turkey.

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This seems like a clear statement of a definition of "God".Earlier in this thread you had this fantasy about me in which it appears you are projecting on to me your projection of your definition of God. This is your definition that God is your world view and I'm not sure how you manage to not see the narcissism of that.lfen