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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Mr.Jack writes: This blast from the past was hilarious! So... if we don't believe in the three gods of Christianity then we are being led astray by evil spirits. We have free will so we can choose whether to believe or not. And Phatboy is going to make us believe by praying for us.Not getting this... As I engage in introspection and character development, I ask myself how different I am now...ten years later! Am I still the same person I was then?Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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I ask myself how different I am now...ten years later! Am I still the same person I was then? I don't know, but I'm sure you'll have no trouble digging up the threads to find out.Love your enemies!
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I'm very different.
I know a lot more about myself and the world but I think the the most important thing has been to learn that there is always something else I could learn to change my perceptions. I hope you all had a good xmas.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
There was a war and I wasn't invited?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
There was a war and I wasn't invited? You told us you wanted to be left alone and for us not to fry your friends. Theodoric seems to think that we believe you to be the enemy. Keep in mind, however, that we believe that humanity either has one flow(Holy Spirit) or the other flow(all other spirits) within them and that there is no neutrality possible. Jesus said that no man can serve two masters. People may argue today that man has to serve no one. Others may argue that we either serve God(collectively) or that enlightened folks are in a sort of humanistic communion---a body with no head. Many Christians believe that there is a body of believers with Christ as the head and another body with no head. One was, is and will come. The other was, is not and yet is for those whose names are not written in the Book of life. Edited by Phat, : loved ringo too much to vilify him. Edited by Phat, : clarificationSaying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Larni writes: I will agree. I know a lot more about myself and the world but I think the the most important thing has been to learn that there is always something else I could learn to change my perceptions.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Well, no slave can serve two masters - unless the masters agree - but I know lots of people that have two jobs.
Jesus said that no man can serve two masters. Phat writes:
"Body with no head" is a loaded metaphor, more suited for feudal times than democratic.
Others may argue that we either serve God(collectively) or that enlightened folks are in a sort of humanistic communion---a body with no head.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: I think that in context, Jesus was talking of two masters that never agree. Its the metaphor of dark and light. Flesh and Spirit. Conscience versus Ego. Well, no slave can serve two masters - unless the masters agreeSaying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
double post
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo writes: I see the church(at large) as a body...with the head being Christ. "Body with no head" is a loaded metaphor, more suited for feudal times than democratic. I see my union,local 7, and the international union has a body with no head. They elect figureheads who get paid a lot, but the decision making capacity resides with the members of the body and not the heads.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Yes, it's a metaphor. "Conscience versus Ego" should make it clear that it's an internal struggle.
I think that in context, Jesus was talking of two masters that never agree. Its the metaphor of dark and light. Flesh and Spirit. Conscience versus Ego.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
So Christ is a figurehead with no decision-making power?
I see the church(at large) as a body...with the head being Christ.I see my union,local 7, and the international union has a body with no head. They elect figureheads who get paid a lot, but the decision making capacity resides with the members of the body and not the heads.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
The church did not exist first and then simply make up a figurehead. The character of Jesus Christ with the help of the Holy Spirit(the character of GOD along with Jesus) inspired a man named Paul(no ghostwriter need apply)to build the church. I would argue that were the church never genuine it never would have held together.
AbE: I also see one true church. Anyone can hang a shingle and "build" a church. There hypothetically could be a bowling club that calls themselves a bowling club yet know nothing about bowling, I suppose. The true church knows (Or believes) their figurehead. He arguably existed before they did and He inspires them...they inspire each other because of Him. I would argue...in conclusion...that Jesus is an acting head. I do not see Him as a figurehead.
Dictionary.com writes: Figurehead--a person who is head of a group, company, etc., in title but actually has no real authority or responsibility:
Most modern kings and queens are figureheads. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden. (Leo Tolstoy)
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Phat writes: I would argue that were the church never genuine it never would have held together. One of the most frustrating things about arguing with irrational believers is their repetition of disproven arguments as though what has gone before never happened. How many time has it been pointed out to you Phat that if age is proof of the right of a religion then you'd be a Jew or a member of one of the even older religions? Do you think you can stop using this now or is it going to turn up again in a few months?Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: I also see one true church. Anyone can hang a shingle and "build" a church. There hypothetically could be a bowling club that calls themselves a bowling club yet know nothing about bowling, I suppose. The true church knows (Or believes) their figurehead. He arguably existed before they did and He inspires them...they inspire each other because of Him. I would argue...in conclusion...that Jesus is an acting head. I do not see Him as a figurehead. But the evidence is that there is no such thing as one true church. There is the Church founded by Jesus which is the Roman Catholic Church and a few other churches that are part of that Apostolic Tradition but most Christian churches just hung out a shingle and called themselves Christian.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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