Commands from God and his general level of interaction in the modern age

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Well, that's the trick isn't it? How would you know? Intuition? That in itself is scary. I'm quite sure that every psycho-killer claiming direction from God (less those faking it hoping for a lesser sentence) 'knew' that it really was God talking.

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Samuel knew. Moses knew. Isaiah knew. Mary knew.It's really only someone touched by Christ can understand.(waiting for the responses of the annoyed)

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Of course, God never goes against His own commandments. Kill? I don't think so. In order for you to believ it, it would have to be confirmed in many witnesses.As for the early Jewish peeps, I think that God knew that war was inevitable anyway...humans were incapable of more mature wisdom.As to whether He actually personally ordered the Jews to kill, I do not know. I think that it was more likely that they did it as a means of survival and then, later, while praying as one people, they felt forgiveness and attributed that to mean that God approved of it. (Thats just my opinion.) God may have foreknown that the enemies of Israel would surely kill them first.Its either that or for a whole nation to lay down their arms and allow whatever is mean't to happen to happen.If America did that, we may end up broke but alive....maybe more in touch with God than ever. Our enemies are hypocrites...they want all the money and power as much as we do.Its just that so few control it now, while so many go hungry.The world is evil, in general. Americans included. Jesus IS the only answer. (Chris, I think that people do not want the revolution to happen, for it would mean changing our priorities!)

First of all, I'm not your friend. I would never be friend with someone who hate rather than love. Secondly, it's not a tyrade. Consider it a first step to my vengence upon christianity. Because I was more timid at the time. Back then, I was still under the impression that christians love, not hate. Haha. I used to make excuses for people like him and you. Well, I grew up and realized that trying to reason with a christian is like talking to a rock, just not worth it. Good for you. Continue and have your faith and hate. Sure, burning people because they're supposedly witches is suppose to be loving them, right? How about beating them to death and errecting a monument conmemorating their supposed entrance to hell?I am through with agreeing to disagree. Until you christians clean up your act, you need to watch your back for me.ABEMy apology for that last sentence there.This message has been edited by GAW-Snow, 08-28-2005 09:03 PM

you know, SOME of us are reasonable and nice people.

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I got out my bible, look at Acts 5, and lo and behold!

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1Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2With his wife's full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles' feet.

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3Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."

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5When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6Then the young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.

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7About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8Peter asked her, "Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?"

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"Yes," she said, "that is the price."

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9Peter said to her, "How could you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also."

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10At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.

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Before you say that god didn't kill those two people, let me ask you this. Did they just magically die or did god break one of his commandments?

That is very close to a threat. If you ever post anything like that again you will be permanently banned.

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Sorry. I've thought about this a lot and I came to the realization that if some christians can be angry, hostile, and rant a lot, why can't some of us non-christians do it too? We can't just sit back and watch them keep pushing our rights back and back. Might as well fight fire with fire. No logic or reason needed. They rant, I rant.

Hi John,That is really the crux of the matter.You can see the problem in the responses you got so far. All this means is that you only need two nutcases to validate any of God's commands, and presumably in some cases you only need one (in the case of 'internal' confirmation). This case is even more alarming - a straightforward reading of this argument suggests that anybody who feels themselves "touched by Christ" can lay claim to the authority of Moses!I really don't see any way that God's command could be confirmed or validated by others. To be honest, if you really do feel that you are being commanded by a supernatural agent then the cynic in me says "seek psychiatric help" because it's known to be one of the classic symptoms of a variety of mental illnesses. And most people with mental illness that bad do not end up being remembered as fondly as Moses...Mick

So did Jim Jones, Charles Manson, David Koresh and my best friend's grandmother, who also knew that her boyfriend, the alien, was going to come rescue the family by taking them off of Earth in his spaceship. His grandmother's alien boyfriend, by the way, was somehow involved in celestial war of good and evil on the side of Yahweh.... at least Faith attempted a real answer. It was, after all, a real question.

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I don't think we are losing any rights on this forum. If those arguing from a religious basis are angry, hostile, and rant a lot, that only loses them support for their own arguments. I intend trying to treat them as nicely as possible, while still pointing out problems in their reasoning.Remember, too, that the religious right are not representative of all christians.

God killed them, people didn't, and He didn't order anyone to do it. Big difference. Death is the wages of sin, as we are taught throughout the Bible. In the case of Ananias and Sapphira God didn't waste any time making His point as an object lesson to the church that you don't lie to the Holy Spirit and get away with it.This message has been edited by Faith, 08-28-2005 10:08 PM

I'm not sure if this adds any value at this point, but...I don't think Christians are in any different situation than the rest of us. We're all subject to the "human condition." How do any of us "know" when we're talking to someone, especially when we can't see them.I think a while back Phatboy compared talking to God like talking to your mom on the phone. How can you know that's REALLY your mom on the other side. Well... like Faith mentioned, the things your mom says has to match with what you'd expect her to say, and how you'd expect her to say it, based on past experiences. She has to know things that mom should know. She has to speak kindly sometimes, and scold you for not calling sooner. Her voice has to be mom's voice. If it's all those things, it's mom.Is it possible any of us are hallucinating? Sure. Is it possible it's not mom on the other line? Sure.---In Japan, there's been a famous run of "it's me" phone calls. People call elderly people and say "It's me. I've had a terrible accident, and I need you to send me cash immediately. Otherwise I'm going to be put in jail etc. etc. etc." Due to cultural practices, I guess this isn't uncommon, because lots of people do it--they immediately send money to whatever bank account is specified, thinking that the caller is a son, or granson, or whatever. We're all subject to the same problems that Christians are.Is it scary? Yeah, it's scary because Christians have a book where they learn that in the past, God has asked for these bad things. But I think we each have situations where we'd do bad things. If my girlfriend called and told me she needed my help, that somebody was attacking her, I'd run right over. If I happened to meet somebody when I got there, I'd attack. Cops shoot people with fake guns, people who aren't trying to run but are perceived as being aggressive. There's all sorts of this kind of stuff.I guess I don't see why you're more concerned about this in Christians than in yourself. What's the difference? And is this for just Christians, or for all religions that have God's that communicate with people?Ben

But Phat said that god doesn't go against his own commandments. You are saying that it's ok for god to go against his own commandments, right? However, it would seem that you are saying that god doesn't order men to disobey his commandments, right?Numbers 31: 31-40

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31And Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the LORD commanded Moses.

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32And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep,

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33And threescore and twelve thousand beeves,

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34And threescore and one thousand asses,

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35And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.

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36And the half, which was the portion of them that went out to war, was in number three hundred thousand and seven and thirty thousand and five hundred sheep:

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37And the LORD'S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.

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38And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the LORD'S tribute was threescore and twelve.

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39And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the LORD'S tribute was threescore and one.

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40And the persons were sixteen thousand; of which the LORD'S tribute was thirty and two persons.

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Ok, let's take a look at the new testament.Mathew 10:35

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35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

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I think it's obvious what commandment I am referring to.

No, but when was the last time you heard a christian organization trying to defend gay rights? As far as I know, only 1 church have officially said anything regarding the matter.I do realize that the hateful ones are the minority. The thing is they are loud. Isn't it time the quiet majority stand up and say something rather than continuing with their pattern of letting whoever that are the victims to fend for themselves?

If Jesus is the ONLY answer, it must have been a silly question. After having two thousand years to change the world, during which the major colonial powers were Christian, you say the world is still evil? Time for a fresh approach.