Does God = Allah

El was the generic term for God in the Middle East in the time of Moses, which fits with the fact that most peoples had a general if often distorted concept of a Creator God over all gods, but it also got shrunk down to particular gods thanks to fallen nature and demonic activity.That term dropped out of use as time went on. The God of the Jews specifically gave His personal Name and was no longer known as El.The wind is a figure of the true God. A figure, a symbol, a type.A characteristic of heathen idolatries is that they have gods for every natural phenomenon, all part of the Fall when humanity lost the ability to commune with the one true God.This message has been edited by Faith, 04-28-2006 09:57 PM

Jar, why don't you have the courtesy to document stuff as is required in the science forums and for that matter the guidelines. Because Jar utters something with no supporting evidence does nothing for the thread but irritate counterparts, waste bandwidth and bore readers.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 Z Y BUZ SAW

I did document stuff. I pointed out that you telling folk to Google the Arabian Moon Goddess is as absolutely silly as Googling the Apollo Jesus connection.Allah is the GOD of Jews, Christians and Muslims. GOD has not changed. She is still the God of Abraham, of Paul and of Mohammud. The fact that some Christians can't recognize GOD, that some Jews cannot recognize GOD, that some Muslims cannot recognize GOD does not change the nature of GOD.Christianity is NOT GOD. The Map is not the Territory.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Another typical JAR post full of unsupported dogmatic assertions of his peculiar idiosyncratic beliefs.This message has been edited by Faith, 04-28-2006 10:40 PM

This is not a science forum. This is faith and belief, a forum that various mods have stated that evidence is not required and that a simple "I believe" is enough. I could say: I believe that the christian god is a laughable attempt to imitate the one true god, Odin the Allfather and you'd have to accept that as my belief.

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Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

Jar, if you think my link is bogus, either you do the noble and guideline thing by refuting the specifics of it or I'll see you in the admin forum and we'll have it out there. OK?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 Z Y BUZ SAW

The basic guidelines apply to all forums, as I understand them.Gotta take a bath and hit hay. Off to church tomorrow. Have a good'n.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 Z Y BUZ SAW

no. el is an older myth from which the hebrews made up their god.

It has all the validity of the Apollo = Jesus sites buz, that is NONE. It's funny, it's a joke.Allah is the GOD of Moses. Allah is the GOD of Jews, Christians and Muslims.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

No. El was the generic term for "God" that all peoples in that area used. "Elohim" was the plural form.Then God gave the Hebrews His own Name.

Another totally unsupported assertion which has been proved false. The Koran presents a view of Moses and God that completely contradicts the Bible, using a name for God that the Bible doesn't know, and altering the Biblical report of Moses' striking the rock from which sprang ONE spring. Totally different God.

Once again you mistake the Map for the Territory.The Bible is not GOD. Nor IMHO does the Bible conflict with the Qur'an. The Bible is filled with inconsistencies, and the GOD of Genesis 1 is entirely different than the bumbling fool depicted in Gensis 2 & 3.The fact that there are errors in the Bible does not change the nature or identity of GOD.And as to your two silly objections you bring up, as I pointed out earlier other passages from the same book contradict what you claimed.Now it you want to play the quotemine game, I hope by know you understand that I'm as good at it as you are, perhaps even better. But playing quotemine is like playing tic-tac-toe. It's impossible to lose playing tic-tac-toe, or at least it's been impossible for me to lose a game of tic-tac-toe since I was six or seven.Allah has not changed. Allah was there with Moses (at least in the fables) and it's the same Allah found in the Jewish Torah, the Christian Old Testament and the Islamic Qur'an.This message has been edited by jar, 04-28-2006 10:47 PM

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

What is Allah? What is Jehovah? How could you prove them the same or different?To me it's obvious that Jehovah is the name of a concept as is Allah or Krishna.Now we have the classic lumpers vs splitters debate.Lumpers and splitters - WikipediaIs Allah the same as Jehovah.The answer depends on whether you are a lumper or a splitter. Denominations fighting for turf rights and converts are motivated to be splitters.lfen

Please, jar, go to a Judaism site and tell them that Allah is their god. Call them silly too. Please.As usual you make no case, you make assertions. You proved this you said that, this is true that is true. It's all a bunch of nonsense.I have never mistaken the map for the territory in my entire life and your constant mantra to that effect is false and stupid.

By the holy books written for the purpose of elucidating their nature. The holy books contradict each other on crucial attributes and character of God. This is how they are proved to be different concepts and therefore the different religions are worshiping different Gods, and this is how it HAS been proved on this thread in a number of posts.