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Topic: Evolution of the Soul
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joshua221 
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Message 1 of 76 (253744)
10-21-2005 4:06 PM
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The soul according to many religious and philosophical traditions, is the ethereal substance ” spirit (Hebrew:rooah or nefesh) ” particular to a unique living being. Such traditions often consider the soul both immortal and innately aware of its immortal nature, as well as the true basis for sentience in each living being. The concept of the soul has strong links with notions of an afterlife, but opinions may vary wildly, even within a given religion, as to what happens to the soul after death. Many within these religions and philosophies see the soul as immaterial, while others consider it possibly material. -Wikipedia.org Do souls exist in result of the process of evolution? Do souls evolve? After death, what happens to one's soul? Or are we as we think of all of the kingdoms of organisms, simply souless temporary additions to a world that is also temporary, and random? In my belief as a Christian, humans have souls, humans, after death find God. The world does not matter, the world of science is worthless.
"For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" (Matthew 16:26)
This message has been edited by prophex, 10-21-2005 03:26 PM
I am smiling. This message has been edited by AdminBrian, 10-21-2005 04:18 PM This message has been edited by AdminBrian, 10-21-2005 04:21 PM
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 2 of 76 (253749)
10-21-2005 4:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by joshua221
10-21-2005 4:06 PM
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In my belief as a Christian, humans have souls, humans, after death find God. What does that have to do with Evolution?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Brian
Member (Idle past 4990 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: 10-22-2002
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Message 3 of 76 (253752)
10-21-2005 4:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by joshua221
10-21-2005 4:06 PM
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Re: Soul man
Sorry Pro I hit the edit button rather than the reply button! I do apologise, the sooner Percy deactivate my admin status the better!!  Anyway,
Do souls exist in result of the process of evolution? Evolution is based on observable facts, therefor the soul is not a factor to consider. Unless you could tell us how would a scientist would test for the existence of the soul?
Do souls evolve? Don't you know anything about souls?
After death, what happens to one's soul? How do we test for this?
Or are we as we think of all of the kingdoms of organisms, simply souless temporary additions to a world that is also temporary, and random? Do you have evidence that this world is temporary and random?
In my belief as a Christian, humans have souls, humans, after death find God. Yes, Plotinus will be chuffed that his idea was stolen by Christians, but then again they did steal every belief they have so he isnt unique.
The world does not matter Why does it not matter? How could people hear the gospel if there was no world?
The world of science is worthless. Is it, why? Keep in mind of course that the world of Christianity has been a huge boon to mankind. Brian.
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Parasomnium
Member Posts: 2224 Joined: 07-15-2003
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Message 4 of 76 (253756)
10-21-2005 4:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by joshua221
10-21-2005 4:06 PM
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Soul
prophex writes: Do souls exist in result of the process of evolution? Do souls evolve? Shouldn't you first define 'soul'? The quote you gave from wikipedia is nothing more than a summary of opinions.
After death, what happens to one's soul? 1. No one knows. No one who's alive , that is. 2. It's sold to Motown.
"We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further." - Richard Dawkins
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robinrohan
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Message 5 of 76 (253757)
10-21-2005 4:34 PM
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Soul=mind.
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joshua221
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Message 6 of 76 (253768)
10-21-2005 4:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by Brian
10-21-2005 4:20 PM
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Re: Soul man
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Do you have evidence that this world is temporary and random?
Random, 2nd law of thermodynamics. Random, leading scientists believe spawned life on earth. Temporary, the 2nd coming of Jesus supported by biblical doctrine, the eventual engulfment of the earth by the sun supported by science.
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Yes, Plotinus will be chuffed that his idea was stolen by Christians, but then again they did steal every belief they have so he isnt unique.
Plotinus taught that there is a supreme, totally transcendent "One", which is beyond all categories of being and non-being. The concept of "being" is derived by us from the objects of human experience, but the infinite, transcendent One is beyond all such objects, and therefore is beyond the concepts derived from them. "Being" or "existence" is an attribute, and the One is beyond all attributes as their source. The One "cannot be any existing thing", and cannot be merely the sum of all such things, but "is prior to all existents". The One emanated the rest of the universe as a sequence of lesser beings. Later Neoplatonic philosophers, especially Iamblichus, added hundreds of intermediate beings as emanations between the One and humanity; but Plotinus' system was much simpler in comparison.
Christianty did not "steal" the idea of an afterlife. Check this
Although Plotinus attacked Gnosticism, he was silent about Christianity, of which he must have been aware. From all accounts his personal and social life exhibited the highest moral and spiritual standards. quote:
Why does it not matter? How could people hear the gospel if there was no world?
The world does not matter in the arts of study and science, in the physical sense. It's all about one's relationship with God. Assuming that souls exist, and that the presence of a soul resonates only in humans, how did the soul come to be using the theory of evolution? Did souls evolve? This message has been edited by prophex, 10-21-2005 04:49 PM
I am smiling.
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joshua221
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Message 7 of 76 (253776)
10-21-2005 4:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 2 by jar
10-21-2005 4:15 PM
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I am unaware of a scientific reasoning for the being that all of us feel inside of us. The presence of a soul. The majorly accepted and represented idea of evolution does not mention anything of a soul in it's explanation of human evolution. Is my soul, as a human being, part of a result of increased intelligence? Is it simply imaginary, and because of our increase size in brain capacity, we are able to postulate about these imaginary things? Or are our souls part of an interconnection due to the power and grace of a divine being? Is an afterlife an idea to be laughed at? Does the Theory of evolution preside over the idea of some sort of soul existant in an afterlife?
I am smiling.
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 8 of 76 (253783)
10-21-2005 5:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 7 by joshua221
10-21-2005 4:53 PM
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I am unaware of a scientific reasoning for the being that all of us feel inside of us. The presence of a soul. Right. Souls can't be tested for. That's why the TOE and Evolution don't deal with the issue.
Or are our souls part of an interconnection due to the power and grace of a divine being? If there is such a thing as soul it most certainly is due to the power and grace of a divine being.
Is an afterlife an idea to be laughed at? Sure. In many ways it is something to be laughed at. Afterall, nobody has been there and returned. But again, what does that have to do with Evolution?
Does the Theory of evolution preside over the idea of some sort of soul existant in an afterlife? Nope. That's the province of religion.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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joshua221
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Message 9 of 76 (253787)
10-21-2005 5:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 8 by jar
10-21-2005 5:03 PM
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But again, what does that have to do with Evolution? Evolution gives reason for an afterlife to not exist. The idea is, why would there be an afterlife for humanity, if there was no afterlife for the other evolved species that exist today? Does evolution disregard the idea of an afterlife because the human race has an explanation for the idea? What I mean is that, because of evolution, humans have increase brain size, and can contemplate nearly anything, that we know of besides some limitations such as God, Right? The point being, is the afterlife simply an idea that is result of the increase brain size, and not result of a divine feeling of God?
I am smiling.
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joshua221
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Message 10 of 76 (253790)
10-21-2005 5:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 8 by jar
10-21-2005 5:03 PM
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"Aslan is not a tame lion" I really have to pick up some CS Lewis.
I am smiling.
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NeuroCycle
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Message 11 of 76 (253791)
10-21-2005 5:20 PM
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Dependence
Is the soul dependent on anything to keep it "around" or "alive"? Does God allow the soul to "run"? I never have asked this to someone of faith, but was always curious. I didn't do a search on the forum to see if this was addessed already but I don't remember it being addressed in my year of lurking. Neuro This message has been edited by NeuroCycle, 10-21-2005 05:27 PM
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joshua221
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Re: Dependence
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Is the soul dependent on anything to keep it "around" or "alive"?
Does God allow the soul to "run"? I never have asked this someone of faith, but always curious.
Without God, nothing is alive, to believe in God, for me, means to believe in a divine omnipresent creator, who overcomes time. I have what is called free will. But I don't really understand what you mean about "Run". I am in no way restrained by God.
I am smiling.
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NeuroCycle
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Message 13 of 76 (253800)
10-21-2005 5:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 12 by joshua221
10-21-2005 5:27 PM
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Re: Dependence
I guess I was a bit vague with that, sorry. What I meant by "run" is, does it need energy to survive like everything else in our body? Or does God sustain it's existence? Hope I was a bit more clear. Neuro
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nwr
Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: 08-08-2005 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 14 of 76 (253803)
10-21-2005 5:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by joshua221
10-21-2005 5:11 PM
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Immortality
prophex writes: Evolution gives reason for an afterlife to not exist.
You might want to try reading "The Physics of Immortality"
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Clark
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Message 15 of 76 (253804)
10-21-2005 5:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by joshua221
10-21-2005 4:06 PM
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Nirvana
Transendance of the mind. Is that your definition of Nirvana? My sources tell me that it translates best as extinction, extinguishing, like blowing a candle out. So you might want to rethink this:
We are not to die and be buried, we are to find God, and reach Nirvana, to get to Heaven, to become glorious in knowing that we have led a good life. sorry to interrupt this thread, i'll leave now.
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