Religion v Spirituality

You're missing my point. I'm not talking about a meaning in spirituality either. I'm talking about a meaning in the physical world.

I'm saying there certainly is a physical meaning to our existance, it's just not provided to us by the physical world itself.

Are you able to provide one? What is it?

I don't understand what E=MC2 has to do with it, but if you meant you're preparing a new thread to discuss all the questions I've asked (along with everyone elses), then I'll wait for that.

Until then, I think it is just more woo-woo.

Heinrik writes:So in my own words, my definition of 'spirituality' is a non-physical entity that is the energy which connects and permeates all living things.I believe this energy is felt by us all, directed by us all and changes form as, and through us, individually and collectively.
If you could come up with a better less ambiguous title I would be glad to use it but I doubt I would inspire any interest. I have to work with what I've got.

Heinrik writes:What 'physical meaning to our existence' do you mean? How come it is not provided to us?

I believe in a spirituality that isn't in a supernatural form and neither is it solid. It is an energy form that we cannot detect in a physical form, although we have produced this energy by splitting the atom.

By 'physical meaning to our existence', I mean pretty much any meaning we can come up with. For example "I want to have kids and teach them to be kind, gentle people" is a physical meaning to our existence. Or "I want to be the best ice-cream salesman in the country" is a physical meaning to our existence.

But... all the energy we produced by splitting the atom is physical energy. What do you mean?

By "we cannot detect in a physical form", do you mean we just have no way to detect it right now? Or that it's impossible to ever detect? That is, is it something that is part of the physcial world, and we just don't know it yet, or is it something that will never, ever be physical in any way?

larni writes:Can I refer you to your thread about how every one else is wrong about E=MC^2?If you were just right you would shut the fuck up about that particualr issue but you go on and on and on.Your comments here highlight the position of a hypocrit.

magda writes:If you wish to avoid accusations of mysticism, then I suggest that you come out and explain exactly what this much-vaunted "energy" actually is. If you cannot demonstrate that it is real, then you are engaging in mysticism.
I agree with Larni, what you are describing is "The Force". It's just fiction, a fantasy idea that appeals to you.

Heinrik writes:Your preconceived notions about who I am and what I am saying coupled with your preconceived notions of the subject at hand are blocking my ideas before I begin.

Heinrik writes:These make it terribly difficult for me to communicate with both of you.

Heinrik writes:Ah yes, Like a job, climbing mount everest, retirement at 50. Anything in the material world.

Do you mean that this energy is a physical energy, in that it is measurable and quantifiable and identifiable? In this case it would have a specific name.

We know this energy is already there and yes, it is a part of the physical world that as yet we are only aware of in destructive form. Einstein's theory of everything was intended for the greater good but by using his theory in reverse, it became destructive. However that same energy is in all things appearing/contained in different life forms.

I believe we, as individuals and collectively, possess this energy. It is in connecting with this energy that will lift us to another realm. Hence, my definition of 'down to earth spirituality'.

I read somewhere that a master is not the one with all the answers but the one with all the questions. Thanks for your great questions.

I'm afraid I don't have the education required to continue this line of thought where I'd like it to go. I really don't know too much about energy and relativity and mass and such. But, are you saying there's some energy in an atomic explosion that is not accounted for in some way? I was trying to say that atomic explosions occur exactly as we'ed expect them to. That is, all energy and mass components are accounted for (measured and quantifiable). Are you saying I'm wrong? If you are saying I'm wrong, can you explain to me what's being missed?

pelican writes:The energy is in the form of beliefs, thoughts, emotions and actions. I believe the source/force is our whole consciousness within the individual.

Obi-Wan Kenobi writes:The Force is what gives a Jedi his powers. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us, penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together.

The Jedis are intelligent beings (that is, not necessarily humans) who have a special link to The Force, which is described as an energy field created by life, that casts a power over all matter and energy in the Universe (an entity similar to the Chinese concept of Qi, the "Great Whole of Life"). A Jedi is a regular organic being, for all the aspects of his/her existence, with the sole exception of this bond to The Force. This bond makes the being to have umprecedent talents above those given by his organic nature, talents that supersede those expected by the social and technical level of the Republic portrayed in the story. The Jedi is not a superbeing in the regular comprehension of the term (such as a superhero or a deity), but a person that can be compelled to get connected to a universal channel of energy and knowledge, from which he can get supernatural performance in movement, reflexes, strength, etc.; the Jedi can foresee near-ocurring events, so he can act, and react, not only on reflexes or instinct but on knowledge of the immediate future. Thus, the Jedi is not a superpowered being, but rather a "Force-driven" being.The Force is also described as a "something" that, however powerful, cannot escape from a rule of the Universe: there is balance in everything. The Jedi Knights use the Force to perform good actions, but it eventually arises that they use the "good" version of the Force. For there is an "evil" version of it as well. Provided that the Force is created by life, it is heavily influenced by the emotions of the living beings, and the good or luminous side of the Force (mentioned plainly as The Force within the story) is fed by love, friendship, courage and the like; whereas the evil or Dark Side of the Force (mentioned as the latter) is fed by anger, fear, hatred and the like. The Jedi, being living beings, are affected by their negative emotions, and a substantial part of their training involves making them aware of their inner evil, in order to vanquish it.