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Phat
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Message 4 of 161 (449050)
01-16-2008 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by pelican
01-16-2008 12:13 AM


Definitions
Heinrik writes:
Religion is concerned with knowing god and the afterlife.
Spirituality is concerned with knowing self and this life.
Does religion stunt spiritual growth? Does spirituality promote growth? Or alternatively, have they absolutely no connection?
In my world of definitions, religion is mans set of rules and established dogma. Spirituality is the communion between God and man.
Knowing God helps us to understand ourselves.
Going to church only provides us with the dogma of religion.
Some folks believe that not everyone knows God, but that everyone knows about God. Others believe that God is in everyone and that through the process of getting to know ourselves, we find the inner peace that embodies Him.
Dogma taught me that Jesus was/is the only way to God. Perhaps in seeking to know myself, I am also seeking to know Christ in me.

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Phat
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Message 5 of 161 (449053)
01-16-2008 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Larni
01-16-2008 7:12 AM


A Matter Of Perspective
Larni writes:
Knowing yourself and the world has nothing to do with spirit; it is simply being self aware and having an ability to be minfull of your self and environment.
Thats assuming, of course, that empiricism is the only path to self awareness.
The zeitgeist surrounding a persons upbringing often becomes the chosen belief system of that person.
Whether or not a spirit or the Spirit exists independently of human imagination and cultural creativity is something we don't collectively know, however.

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Phat
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Message 24 of 161 (449227)
01-17-2008 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by pelican
01-17-2008 7:46 AM


Re: Knowable spirituality
Heinrik writes:
The body may well undergo physical changes because of an emotional reaction, but it still does not the make the emotion physical. All emotion is non-physical.
Have you not heard of Wilhelm Reich, Alexander Lowen, and Bioenergetics?
There is most definitely a thing as Psychophysical reactions to emotional events.

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Phat
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Message 161 of 161 (885962)
04-30-2021 8:52 AM


Topic Synopsis
I stumbled across this old topic and...well you know me.
The topic was started by an old member named Pelican(No Longer Active)
Topic Starter writes:
I heard this saying recently :that religion is for those who are afraid of going to hell and spirituality is for those who have already been.
I believe many percieve them to be the same. Personally I believe they are totally different just as the saying implies.
Religion is concerned with knowing god and the afterlife.
Spirituality is concerned with knowing self and this life.
Does religion stunt spiritual growth? Does spirituality promote growth? Or alternatively, have they absolutely no connection?
I am only going to focus on posts made(then) by current active members.
Larni writes:
I actually hate the word spiritual. It gets bandied about the place a great deal in the wrong context.
Spirituality implies some etheric 'spirit' that is somehow distinct from the physical world: much like religion implies some deity (in most cases) somehow distinct from the physical world.
Either way you cut it both invoke something distinct from the physical world.
Knowing yourself and the world has nothing to do with spirit; it is simply being self aware and having an ability to be mindful of your self and environment.
Neither spirituality or religiosity are required.
So I responded. And I think very similar if not approximately as I thought and believed then:
Phat in 2008 writes:
In my world of definitions, religion is mans set of rules and established dogma. Spirituality is the communion between God and man.
Knowing God helps us to understand ourselves.
Going to church only provides us with the dogma of religion.
Some folks believe that not everyone knows God, but that everyone knows about God. Others believe that God is in everyone and that through the process of getting to know ourselves, we find the inner peace that embodies Him. Dogma taught me that Jesus was/is the only way to God. Perhaps in seeking to know myself, I am also seeking to know Christ in me.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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