Come and get me, right wingers!

well no I don't get it either.So please enlighten us.

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Depends. I've had a couple JWs come, as well as a group of Catholics. I've also had some protestant factions come and invite me to Easter celebrations etc.

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Yeah, they carry Bibles.

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Back before modern medicine, I'd say sickness would be much worse than fire and brimstone. Kills you slowly, and there's no dodging it like you could a falling brimstone. The point being Egypt as a whole shouldn't have been punished for their stupid leader even if they follow his orders for fear of getting killed for being unpatriotic. You wouldn't like it if a terrorist started wreaking havoc in a local minimall because he hates Bush's foreign policy, right?

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The Israelites needed to be delivered. I don't question the ways of God.

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I don't buy manifest destiny. Ask a conservative, full-blooded Native American about how that works, assuming you can find one.

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Also:Finders keepers.

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It isn't manifest destiny it was their land.

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Doesn't matter. Slavery is wrong. God could've said "Israel, DONT MAKE THEM SLAVES!!!"

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Who would argue with that? I have no doubt God was allowing us to go our path, but please don't try to defend slavery as something moral. Who cares what the code was back then? God could've changed it in a heartbeat; just because he didn't interfere and stop it doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.

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dood free will, the slaves were the spared ones that werent killed in battle, it happened to the Israelites too, for as you know, a long time. The loser of the battle's choices was be killed or be a slave.There's also the chance that the enslaved nation rose up again and took over the other nation, that's why the slave wasn't allowed to take his family when he went free. Why are you stuck on this? I find your ignorance on the ways of old annoying man. It's like you want to prove the Bible wrong, and the ironic thing is without it, you wouldn't know Jesus. What knowledge would you seriously have of Jesus. Why do you condemn the books that contain the story of his life? I respect the prophets of old, the writers, "the characters", they knew Jesus more than I may ever know.

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You know, I took a look around and couldn't find it. I'd appriciate it if you could tell me where it is so I could have a look.

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Why it's just stories told around the fire. Forget about it. The message is the only important thing.Where did you get the message from?

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Oh zeus, not another hardheaded christian who likes to justify evil.

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The sad thing is God needs no justification

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well no I don't get it either.
So please enlighten us.

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He said the Bible is just stories told around the fire. That assertion wasn't thought through well, see my previous posts to how his theory isn't plausible.To jar:you have no argument for that statement, go ahead make my day (eastwood), try to defend that silly statement, I know how you like to build a force field around you so your faith can never be challenged, that's not a good way to live, especially with God. You know you're never alone right?By saying that he wasn't being honest because it just isn't true.

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Wow - that's pretty warped thinking - someone disputes your account so that makes him a liar. Guess I must be a liar as well - how much of the bible would I have to prove to be stories for you to discount it? 10% 20% ? 1 story, 20 stories?This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-25-2004 02:53 PMThis message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-25-2004 02:54 PM

Tis true. You get a point there. However, still doesn't mean it's 100% accurate. That's good, because questioning is risky business. However, we've all seen what happens when nobody questions authority when it does something worth questioning(or alledgedly does something in this case). What do actual historians have to say about that? I don't think it was anybody's land to begin with. And who gave them that choice? Their conquerors. Their conquerors gave them the lose-lose choice. That's not very nice. But oh well, they still do that today in a lot of places. Not that it's right. Kill their leaders and anybody else they look to for hope and you can make peasants out of them after a generation. Assimilation, not extermination. That's why abolition of slavery happened here(eventually):Because it's wrong. I'm not. It's wrong, that's all she wrote. Sorry, but maybe I'm just all for saying it was wrong. Who cares how it was, it could still be wrong. Wanted?! Sorry, but no dice there. I would love to think that the Bible is 100% accurate historically, but it's not. That's the way it is. True, without the Bible we wouldn't know about Jesus. In that respect and some others I think it's right. Jesus acts the way a personinification of God would: Morally sound.I don't condemn the Bible or any book in it, by the way. I just don't think all of them are nonfiction. If I can't find the passage I couldn't really get the message, now could I? Just a thought Observation.

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Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit. http://www.BadPreacher.5u.com (incomplete, but look anyway!)

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Wow - that's pretty warped thinking - someone disputes your account so that makes him a liar. Guess I must be a liar as well - how much of the bible would I have to prove to be stories for you to discount it? 10% 20% ? 1 story, 20 stories?

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What are you talking about? He kept saying that and wouldn't support it. Don't jump to conclusions. Is it honest for someone to keep saying something while lacking evidence?

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Sorry, been having a bad day, I'll find that verse.I justify the slavery because of the historical context, I alsso justify it because of the Chosen People.You found Jesus through observation? I won't question you but I don't know if I could have.i g2g

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Well I'm saying it - the bible is a book of stories - how much of it would you like me to disprove? 1 story, 2 or 5?let's set the parameters.

if the Bible was just stories told around the campfire, would the message of Jesus be any less important?I did NOT say "The Bible is just stories told around the campfire" (although much of it is).What is it with you fundies that you cannot read and you immediately want to call anyone with an opposing view, "dishonest"?Can you not defend the message of Jesus without the Bible? Have you so little faith that you believe in the Bible instead of GOD?The Bible is the Map.The Map is not the Territory!If you are following a road map and you come to an area where the bridge has been washed out, should you believe the Map and continue across?

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Disprove the Bible. Tell us the useless, insignificant "stories" please.Start with one.

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The earth is flat.

prophex says: The point is not that the Bible should be disproved, only that it cannot be taken literally. Even if the Bible is only tales told around the campfire, they are not useless, insignificant stories.

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if the Bible was just stories told around the campfire, would the message of Jesus be any less important?
I did NOT say "The Bible is just stories told around the campfire" (although much of it is).

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The message of Jesus is reinforced by much of the stories in the Bible, and furthermore, what about the parables told by Jesus, each having "his message" in them?

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What is it with you fundies that you cannot read and you immediately want to call anyone with an opposing view, "dishonest"?

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Fundies cannot read, nice, anything else?
Insults usually don't work well with debating. Offending the people you talk with usually doesn't accomplish much of anything... (remember kendymer?) Don't tell me you forgot already.

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Can you not defend the message of Jesus without the Bible? Have you so little faith that you believe in the Bible instead of GOD?

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This is ignorance, Have you not noticed that who you call "fundies" (nice) believe the Bible is inspired by GOD? A tool, to know God, the Bible reading in this day and age is an amazing thing.

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The earth is flat.

Please this is what the guy said, let him.
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The earth is flat.

I'm glad you brought up the parables. They are a great example.When Jesus talks about the house built on sand and the house built on rock, does it matter if either ever existed?When Jesus speaks of the two servants, does it really matter if some master gave a couple peones some money?How about the parable of the sheep. Does it matter if that ever happened or not? I agree. Why is it that so many fundies have to immediately resort to calling anyone that disagrees with them dishonest? or calling them ignorant?I think it must be a trait of the breed. LOL

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