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blitz77
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Message 136 of 192 (16968)
09-09-2002 9:15 AM
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09-09-2002 9:04 AM


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You've been here a while and you still don't know what evolution is?
Random mutations + natural selection then. However, abiogenesis could certainly be classified as random chance.
--Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens.

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nos482
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Message 137 of 192 (16969)
09-09-2002 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by blitz77
09-09-2002 9:03 AM


Originally posted by blitz77:
Please give me some inconsistencies in the manuscripts Christianity has. Ever heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls?
All one has to do is compare these scrolls (That is if one can get full access to them) with the current bible and you will see that there are many inconsistencies.
With only a few copies of Greek Mythology, its easy for it to be consistent. But with thousands of copies, translated into many languages, at different times....
So, you are admitting that the bible isn't the literal and inerrant word of your god since it is so filled with inconsistencies?
"Quality is more important than quantity."

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Mammuthus
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Message 138 of 192 (16970)
09-09-2002 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by blitz77
09-09-2002 8:59 AM


[QUOTE]Originally posted by blitz77:
[B]
quote:
Depends on what you mean by hell. Most Modern Christians get their idea of what hell is from Dante's Inferno.
Well, hell is a helluva lot worse than Dante's Inferno, let me tell you that.
>So you have direct, reproducible evidence of hell...let's see it so we can evaluate the evidence you claim to have...this should be good
quote:
Apples and oranges. Plus, you got it backwards. First they put forth the theories then they search for the evidence and the theory which matches is the one which is used, if none match than a new theory is put forth. With Creationists they ignore all of the evidence which doesn't match their "theory".
We could say exactly the same thing about evolutionists. They ignore all the evidence which doesn't match their "theory".
--An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
>Keeping your eyes closed and muttering the same creationist mythology mantra makes you blind...how about actually LEARNING something about science and the scientific method and actually READING a scientific description about evolution before spouting off nonesense.

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blitz77
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Message 139 of 192 (16971)
09-09-2002 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by nos482
09-09-2002 9:07 AM


quote:
What, you've been there?
Ever heard of NDEs?
quote:
Hardly. Like I had said, you still don't (Probably won't) know what evolution is. Maybe you should read what I posted to Matt in "Is It Science" about the difference between science and religion?
I took a look. Could you explain the difference to me in your own words?

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nos482
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Message 140 of 192 (16972)
09-09-2002 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by blitz77
09-09-2002 9:15 AM


Originally posted by blitz77:
Random mutations + natural selection then. However, abiogenesis could certainly be classified as random chance.
Define random chance in this context. Abiogenesis and evolution are two different concepts.

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Mammuthus
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Message 141 of 192 (16973)
09-09-2002 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by blitz77
09-09-2002 9:15 AM


quote:
Originally posted by blitz77:
quote:
You've been here a while and you still don't know what evolution is?
Random mutations + natural selection then. However, abiogenesis could certainly be classified as random chance.
--Knowledge speaks, but wisdom listens.

Define random mutation
Define natural selection
Know what the neutral theory is?
How about genetic drift?
Your above statement does not suggest you know anything about the theory of evolution.
However, abiogenesis could certainly be classified as random chance.
So could winning the LOTTO...what's you point?
Glad to see your admission of the large number of inconsistencies in the bible

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blitz77
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Message 142 of 192 (16975)
09-09-2002 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by nos482
09-09-2002 9:16 AM


quote:
All one has to do is compare these scrolls (That is if one can get full access to them) with the current bible and you will see that there are many inconsistencies.
I read the statistics on it. Less than 1 word in a thousand is different, but synonymous. Give me a specific inconsistency between the manuscripts. Most of the other differences could be accounted for by slight changes in names and places.
quote:
So, you are admitting that the bible isn't the literal and inerrant word of your god since it is so filled with inconsistencies?
No, I am not. I'm just saying that with all those copies and languages, it is still consistent.
[This message has been edited by blitz77, 09-09-2002]

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blitz77
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Message 143 of 192 (16976)
09-09-2002 9:23 AM
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09-09-2002 9:21 AM


quote:
Glad to see your admission of the large number of inconsistencies in the bible
Where did I admit that?

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nos482
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Message 144 of 192 (16977)
09-09-2002 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by blitz77
09-09-2002 9:19 AM


Originally posted by blitz77:
Ever heard of NDEs?
No, is it something like UFOs?
I took a look. Could you explain the difference to me in your own words?
Religion: "God did it and that is good enough for me..."
Science: "Let's see what actually happened and maybe learn something new and different..."

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nos482
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Message 145 of 192 (16978)
09-09-2002 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by blitz77
09-09-2002 9:22 AM


Originally posted by blitz77:
I read the statistics on it. Less than 1 word in a thousand is different, but synonymous. Give me a specific inconsistency between the manuscripts.
Stats are like whores, they will open their legs for anyone. Plus good access to the scrolls is restricted. You are going by what they want you to know is in them.
No, I am not. I'm just saying that with all those copies and languages, it is still consistent.
Why don't you look up the books which have been removed because they didn't agree with what the Church wanted them to say.
How do you define consistent, just the base message about god or all of the other stuff in it?
With Greek Mythology all of it is consistent and more complete in also giving much details. What do we know of most of Christ's life from 12 to around 30? Almost nothing as if he were made out of whole clothe.
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blitz77
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Message 146 of 192 (16979)
09-09-2002 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by nos482
09-09-2002 9:24 AM


Nope... NDEs are near death experiences. According to statistics, 33% of people near death experience an NDE, but quickly forget about it in a few days/weeks.
quote:
Religion: "God did it and that is good enough for me..."
Science: "Let's see what actually happened and maybe learn something new and different..."
Mmmm, really? Then why would we need scientific institutions such as ICR?

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blitz77
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Message 147 of 192 (16980)
09-09-2002 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by nos482
09-09-2002 9:28 AM


quote:
Stats are like whores, they will open their legs for anyone. Plus good access to the scrolls is restricted. You are going by what they want you to know is in them.
Science is based on statistics to check reliability of an experiment.
quote:
Why don't you look up the books which have been removed because they didn't agree with what the Church wanted them to say.
Which books?

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blitz77
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Message 148 of 192 (16981)
09-09-2002 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by nos482
09-09-2002 9:28 AM


quote:
With Greek Mythology all of it is consistent and more complete in also giving much details. What do we know of most of Christ's life from 12 to around 30? Almost nothing as if he were made out of whole clothe.
The difference between Greek Mythology and the account of Christ's life is the difference between legend and history. Go to Israel, and even the Jews there will admit that Jesus existed. And as for Greek mythology, archaelogists and historians think there might be at least a grain of truth in them. David Rohl equates Dionysis with Noah (both invented wine), and many other correlations between other cultural heroes and myths with the bible, eg Osiris with Noah (Osiris was tossed into a compartment/box/ark and cast into the water), as well as many other similarities. Take a read of David Rohl's 'Legend: The Genesis of Civilization'. David Rohl is the world famous Egyptologist (and no, he isn't a Christian).

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nos482
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Message 149 of 192 (16982)
09-09-2002 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by blitz77
09-09-2002 9:28 AM


Originally posted by blitz77:
Nope... NDEs are near death experiences. According to statistics, 33% of people near death experience an NDE, but quickly forget about it in a few days/weeks.
Pilots have the exact same experience when they pull too many Gees.
It's the brain's way of coping with a loss of blood flow to it.
http://leda.lycaeum.org/..._Near-Death_Experience.9260.shtml
http://leda.lycaeum.org/..._Near_Death_Experience.9264.shtml
Page not found - Dr Susan Blackmore
Mmmm, really? Then why would we need scientific institutions such as ICR?
HAHAHAHAHA! The ICR a scientific institution? Please, don't insult my intelligence. That is like saying that astrology is a valid science as well... Or that the National Enquirer is legitimate journalism.

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Mammuthus
Member (Idle past 6475 days)
Posts: 3085
From: Munich, Germany
Joined: 08-09-2002


Message 150 of 192 (16985)
09-09-2002 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by blitz77
09-09-2002 9:28 AM


quote:
Originally posted by blitz77:
Nope... NDEs are near death experiences. According to statistics, 33% of people near death experience an NDE, but quickly forget about it in a few days/weeks.
You just described drug induced hallucinations as well. So if a crackhead sitting next to you starts yelling that jesus is doing a jig on your head would you accept that as evidence for your beliefs as well?
quote:
Religion: "God did it and that is good enough for me..."
Science: "Let's see what actually happened and maybe learn something new and different..."
Mmmm, really? Then why would we need scientific institutions such as ICR?

The answer is WE DON'T need ICR for anything...except laughs.

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