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Topic: Is Something Wrong with Mother Earth?
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purpledawn
Member (Idle past 3716 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: 04-25-2004
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Re: Which Commandments
You didn't answer my question. Which commandments?
A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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lfen
Member (Idle past 4936 days) Posts: 2189 From: Oregon Joined: 06-24-2004
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Re: Why single out my post?
"nomadic goat herders"--I realize that's pretty accurate, but it's also funny. "nomadic goat herders" has my approval and is in full comformity with Information Theory.  lfen, The Department of Redundancy Department
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Juhrahnimo
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Re: Which Commandments
Sorry, I failed to see the seriousness of your question, or maybe I didn't get where you were going with it (and still don't). We can start with:
And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets. Matt 22:37-40 Followed by:
The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." Rom. 13:9 Still not sure where you want to go with this, I'll just remind you of one other passage:
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Gal. 5:19-21 Not sure how much deeper you want to go off topic with this. Sorry you had to ask me twice, and sorry if you have to ask me again if I still missed it.
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purpledawn
Member (Idle past 3716 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: 04-25-2004
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Re: Which Commandments
The comment you made to Crash. quote:
Send me a list of names of sinless human beings who have never broken a commandment, and I'll answer your hypthetical question.
So we have: 1. Love God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, which is based on Deuteronomy 6:5 where LORD equals YHWH.
"You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might... How does this manifest itself? 2. Love your neighbor as yourself, which is based on Leviticus 19:18 and sums up all commandments. If one is not following these two commandments then it supposedly shows through the person's actions:
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Gal. 5:19-21 Are you saying that you honestly don't know one single person who isn't manifesting the works of the flesh? Since the assertion is that sin is causing the natural disasters and that no one is exempt from the disasters because all supposedly sin and that repentence doesn't bring forgiveness, then this line of questions is still on topic.
A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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Juhrahnimo
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Re: Which Commandments
Purple writes: Are you saying that you honestly don't know one single person who isn't manifesting the works of the flesh? The orginal QUESTION that I answered assumed that we might have absolute knowledge of any one person's heart. We don't. But God does, and he states the obvious. As for babies, they're innocent, but what happens when they reach the age of accountability? They choose to go their own way. NO, I don't know anyone who has kept all of God's commandments. Sorry. Do you? Can you name a few? Or just one? (besides the Jesus). Also,
Purple writes: Since the assertion is that sin is causing the natural disasters and that no one is exempt from the disasters because all supposedly sin and that repentence doesn't bring forgiveness, then this line of questions is still on topic.
You've completely missed the concept. We're way off topic, but we may wind up talking about this a little deeper in the coffee house, but it's just between me and Crash for the time being and we're trying to keep the discussion between the two of us, although anyone is invited to read along if interested. But let me just give it this brief attempt at the "big picture": The Old Testament is basically about "man's problem". The New Testament is basically about "God's solution". Think about that for awhile and you might make the connection.
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purpledawn
Member (Idle past 3716 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: 04-25-2004
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Re: Which Commandments
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Your Message 18
You bet there is. Is was cursed for our sake; it bears thorns and thistles for us. Instead of the sweat of our brow, we chose to make chemical spray, which causes cancer and other diseases as well as birth defects. An then we wonder why God won't cure malaria for us. Oh, and we also chose to squeeze God out of our schools; and then we wonder why God lets things like Columbine happen. We lie naked or topless on the beaches, and wonder why God won't stop a tsunami. Oh my, I'm really getting out in left field, aren't I? Genesis 6:5 - And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (So God sent a flood.) Are we any different today?
We aren't way off topic. The news media inundates us with bad news from all over the globe. Is your town really that wicked? Making chemicals to fight weeds to produce food, does not go against the commandments. Many farmers and home gardeners are organic. Tribes still exists that don't use chemicals. Not allowing prayer (to any God) in school also isn't against the commandments. If God is within us then he is in the schools. Laying naked or topless on the beach also isn't against the commandments. Yes I know people who follow all the commandments as you described the commandments. My husband is one. My father was another one. My neighbors are excellent people. I know a Jewish lady who is a wonderful woman. Every imagination of the thoughts of my heart are not continually evil. Now if you want to blame weather changes which may contribute to natural disasters (not my field of expertise) on mankind's disrespect for the land, I would agree. But tornadoes, tsunamis, earthquakes, and hurricanes, IMO, are not the result of wicked thoughts or breaking the commandments you described. Our planet is alive and changes over time whether we like it or not.
A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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Juhrahnimo
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Oh, goodness....
I see you omitted yourself from that list; possibly because you know your own heart pretty well. But do you know the hearts of those "good" people you mention? You're only bucking God's word, not mine; I don't know people's heart any more than you do -- But GOD does. Oh, and here are a few tidbits regarding "good" or self righteous people:
Matthew 7:22-23 writes: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. And for those who think they are "good" and need no help:
Rev 3:17 writes: Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked... And even a word for some of us who think we have, over time, become "good" enough:
Rev 2:2-5 writes: I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. And those who think they can "work" or "buy" themselves into heaven:
1 Cor. 13:3-7 writes: And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. I myself fall far short, and therefore need a savior. It seems to me that it's unfair that he had to take the punishment upon himself that was meant for me. We must understand the plan of salvation as the Bible teaches it. The fact that Christ rose from the dead is the greatest evidence that there is a God in heaven.
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Abshalom
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Re: Body of Evidence
This discussion has shown me the light regarding what's wrong with Mother Earth. It appears She has been thrown off kilter by the immense mass of the lopsided body of "greatest evidence." Could one of our more mathmatically oriented members put that into an equation for us?
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purpledawn
Member (Idle past 3716 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: 04-25-2004
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Re: Oh, goodness....
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I see you omitted yourself from that list
I don't judge my own actions. And yes I know their hearts by their actions. You're changing lanes. We aren't talking about the afterlife. You were talking of sins on this physical earth, causing God not to stop natural disasters on this physical earth.
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Your Message 23
It has to do with SHUTTING GOD OUT OF YOUR LIFE, rebeling against his laws, then blaming him for not intervening when things go wrong.
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Crashfrog Message 30
Are you saying that faithul Christians who follow God's laws don't get wiped out in natural disasters?
Crash wasn't talking about the afterlife.
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Your Message 32
Send me a list of names of sinless human beings who have never broken a commandment, and I'll answer your hypthetical question.
In Message 66 I asked which commandments and quoted Ezekiel which shows that people will not be held accountable to breaking the commandments if they turn away from their sins and continue to do right. You apparently do not consider this an option even though God does. Ezekiel 18:21-22 But if a wicked man turns away from all the sins he has committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die. None of the offenses he has committed will be remembered against him. Because of the righteous things he has done, he will live. God does not require people to be sinless, but he does want us to be just and lawful. (righteous)
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Your Message 68
Ezekiel gave us a supposed "simple" solution to our problem, BUT we couldn't do it. If mankind would have been able to do what Ezekiel 18 called for, then the sacrifice of Jesus would have been unnecessary.
When did God say we couldn't do it? When did God take away the possibility of repenting from wrong ways and following right ways? IMO, people are quite able to follow the commandments you gave and I summarized in Message 79. People are also able to change from doing wrong behavior and then doing right behavior. Many have proven that. Either you trust that a good heart is manifested as good fruit or you don't. So if a Christian is manifesting the fruit of the spirit and following the commandments mentioned, will that Christian be exempt from natural disasters? Again we aren't talking about getting into the kingdom of heaven.
A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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