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Author Topic:   Many Christians Lack Responsibility
Stile
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Message 136 of 138 (524076)
09-14-2009 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by Phat
09-14-2009 10:27 AM


Re: Responsibility of Authority
Phat writes:
Do we owe a responsibility to the older generation (even globally)
I'm going to take a guess here, just to be clear. Feel free to point it out if the assumption I'm making is incorrect.
I'm assuming:
-you're talking about some sort of failed education on the part of America to it's older generation? (Or something along those lines?)
Does this imply that you think "being responsible" is something that should be taught in schools or by government?
Personally, I think that learning responsibility is best learned on one's own. Being responsible takes motivation. I'm not sure if there's an easy way to "teach motivation" to anyone and everyone. It seems to me that such a thing is very subjective and personal.
Once we are mature enough to understand that our decisions have consequences, and that different decisions result in people viewing us differently... it becomes apparent that we can choose what sort of person we would like to be. Do we want to be responsible? Do we want to be reliable? Do we want to take the easy roads? Do we want to leech off of others' kindness and generosity?
These are difficult, and important questions. I also think it would be wrong in a controlling-sense to teach a "one-and-only correct path" on such a subject. But even devising a curriculum to teach the consequences, pros and cons of such decisions would be a daunting task. I think you may have too much invested in Mr. Obama if you feel he's actually going to be able to implement some sort of super-fix to this problem that has been a part of being human since humans have existed.
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AbE:
Sorry Phat, I did all the background explaining and forgot to address the question. I wonder if that's how one starts a career in politics...
Anyway, as far as owing the older generation anything... I don't really see how. It's this blame-game that is the problem. For the older generation to blame the government for something they had all the tools to fix on their own anyway... goes against everything that needs changing in the first place.
So, no, I don't think anyone (especially the government) owes anything to the older generation... responsibility-wise, anyway.
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...and does this take away from our dreams?
I don't understand this part of the question. Does accepting responsibility take away from our dreams? Is that the question? Does anyone seriusly dream about being a leech on society and never being able to do things for themselves? I thought dreams would be more akin to having a large impact on society, or acheiving great success... such things come hand-in-hand with accepting responsibility and being mature.
So, if I have your question right, my answer is absolutely "no" and that accepting responsibility only gets us closer to making our dreams into reality.
Edited by Stile, : Just practicing...

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Phat
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Message 137 of 138 (729958)
06-22-2014 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Stile
06-22-2009 9:41 AM


Being Responsible
stile writes:
If the God of the Bible exists, then our mature and rational abilities would be gifts from God. I'd think that God would want us to use the gifts He gave us to be as benevolent as we can. I certainly don't think He'd approve if we ignored such God-given talents.
Bringing this one back.
I am currently taking a course in leadership--through a coalition of church folk in Denver.
Denver Leadership Initiative
We are learning five core values.
BALANCE
ACCOUNTABILITY
EMPOWERMENT
INTERDEPENDENCE
LEVERAGE
I will discuss more later.

When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.

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Phat
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Message 138 of 138 (747868)
01-20-2015 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by Stile
09-14-2009 11:02 AM


Re: Responsibility of Authority
Stile writes:
I don't see any specifically inherent danger attached to believing in God or any other deity. Regardless of their actual existence (which may very well be unattainable knowledge for us).
The danger I'm afraid of is when folks take their unsubstantiated beliefs and start telling others what to do. In order to start telling others what to do, you better be able to show that what you're talking about is an actual part of reality. Especially when things become important. When people are unable to do this, and fall into this trap, that's where I feel they lack responsibility.
It is almost human nature to gain personal validation by having others agree with us. It is also a part of human nature to accept "as truth" information that is provided to us from people in authoritative positions (parents, pastors, elders, friends...) Therefore, it's very, very easy to fall into the above trap, or take advantage of such a trap (perhaps unintentionally) and start getting others to do things we don't actually have any factual basis to rely on. It's the ease of this danger that makes it extremely hazardous.
I agree. It is a sacred responsibility to teach others, and one must be intentional and therefore cautious as to what one teaches.
I finished the Denver leadership Initiative, by the way. I graduated in December. 2015 will no doubt have many opportunities as well.

Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo
If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)

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