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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1273 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
Straggler writes: Oh God Very interesting Now can you explain how complex will give free will. This one I want to hear.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
That is correct. I know what many of your responses will be and I will post refutations as they come. Really? What will my first one be then?
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Very interesting Now can you explain how complex will give free will. This one I want to hear. Well what object, mineral, vegetable or animal can you give as an example of something, that in your opinion, does not have freewill?
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1273 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
Just a side question: Why do you think such a complicated world was created with such simple explanations? Many people acknowledge the complexity of the world, but expect the religious aspect behind the creation to be extremely simple. This makes no sense. If you believe that G-d created this complicated world, you would think that a religion that comes along with the world would be very complex as well. Why do you then expect very simple answers to all of your questions? This is why I laughed so hard when Bluejay said religions are for people that don't want to use the brain. A religion that is correct about the purpose of this world must be at least as complicated as the world itself.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1273 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
Uh how does G-d kill if humans can't? Was I right?
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1273 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
Nothing has free will other than a human being.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
I have no idea what this has to do with the topic or my questions but - Science would suggest that life the universe and everything was derived from simplicity and that complexity has evolved from simple beginnings. In a very very very broad nutshell.
We now have 3 seperate (if related) lines of questioning in one thread. Lets filter and condense.....? Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Uh how does G-d kill if humans can't? Was I right? Not really but we can start there if it makes you happy. So what does the Torah say specifically about killing? If anything? Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Nothing has free will other than a human being. Really. Interesting. So are you saying that all other matter (animal, mineral or vegetable) should behave equally predictably and deterministically? If not what makes the behaviour of some things more difficult (even impossible!!) to predict than others? Planetary orbits Vs chimpanzee behaviour for example?
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1273 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
If you read Genesis carefully you will see that G-d warns Adam not to eat from the "tree of knowledge" and says that on the day that he eats from it he will die. But guess what, Adam lives on. How are these apparently contradictory accounts resolved. The answer is that Adam has caused Mortality to enter the creation by eating from the tree. By disobeying the commandments, Adam was the first one to bring evil into the world. The world is gravely affected by sins. The sins themselves actually cause the apparent evil in the world. This is easily seen by some of the sins. The Torah says not to kill another human. It is obvious how this sin has an impact on the world. The evil is clear. Some other sins may not have such easily seen effects. However, they are all there inside the creation.
Some atheists have trouble resolving contradictions in the Torah. They feel that a contradiction indicates falsehood of the text. However, this is nonsense if the contradiction is so blatant that even a fool would not have left it there, let alone the crafty people that are trying to start a religion. Also, since I have told you that the world is very complicated, and religion should be no less complicated , there is a fine line between interpretations and apologetics. Edited by Open MInd, : No reason given.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Uh how does G-d kill if humans can't? Was I right? Not really but we can start there if it makes you happy. So what does the Torah say specifically about killing? If anything? So how about answering the question then?
If you read Genesis carefully you will see that G-d warns Adam not to eat from the "tree of knowledge" and says that on the day that he eats from it he will die. Is that a lie?
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1273 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
Straggler writes: Is that a lie? NO! Did you read my full post? On the day that Adam ate from the tree he was given . If not for this sin he would have lived forever.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1273 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
The amount of forces acting on the chimpanzee is enormous compared with that of planets. Furthermore, humans have an influence on chimpanzee behavior. Since humans have free will, you cannot predict the behavior of a chimpanzee without knowing all the human interactions with it.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Now you know the Torah/Bible/Whatever better than me but....
You said
If you read Genesis carefully you will see that G-d warns Adam not to eat from the "tree of knowledge" and says that on the day that he eats from it he will die. "on the day that he eats from it"..........?
NO! Did you read my full post? On the day that Adam ate from the tree he was given . If not for this sin he would have lived forever. So did he die on that fateful day or not? Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1273 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
I am giving the assumption that G-d created the world. Assuming this, G-d created all of the complexity as well, or he at least guided the complexity as it formed by initiating the world in a way that would lead to this complexity. I am pointing out how people are not being rational by assuming that a very very simple religion should explain a very very complex world. Again, I am assuming that G-d created this world and the religion behind it. I assume that the religion would be at least as complex as the world because they would both be created by the same Being.
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