PROOF OF GOD

WILLOWTREE - I'm not arguing evil conspiracies or capstones at this point. I'm arguing the logic behind a within-an-inch measurement of the pyramid's height with no capstone.From one of your previous posts: From your most recent reply to me, (italic emphasis mine): From these statements I've drawn these main points:
- 'Weather' has shortened the pyramid (presumably by erosion).
- Height measurements were not taken until centuries after the stripping of the pyramid.
- The point that the summit 'bore no damage' must mean no vandalism/stripping, since you've told us that weather shortens the pyramid; surely weather effects didn't begin shortening the pyramid only after it's height was measured.Thus, from your statements - the height of the pyramid that you are stating was not measured until after centuries of 'weather' shortening effects.This means that it was not the original height of the pyramid that was measured, but the height at the centuries-later timepoint when scientist measured it.Hopefully you follow this logic. What is your take on this situation?The issue I'm concerned with is one of simple logic, so please do not state "bare assertion" or ask for evidence. Hopefully you also understand that I'm not going to buy the $175 tome that you cite, and while I appreciate that you have listened to hours of lectures by Dr. Scott, I don't have the lecture access or time to do so - and are therefore asking you to provide information on a few specific points regarding the content of those sources. Hopefully that is not too much to ask.Thanks.

Yeah, I am well aware of disagreement.I could post links which back my claim and we have a stalemate.When I obtain the primary sources I will post the entire evidence pro and con.The sources that claim the slight concavity are not making it up. Contrary sources are ambiguous in their arguments and info cited. They also make these claims because the fact of concavity and the subsequent truth that the Pyramid incorporates the circumference of the Earth's curvature is too miraculous.Dr. Scott says the Pyramid's sides are concave and the curvature doubled equals the Earth's circumference. He has incontrovertibly proven this as have a number of other researchers.

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The issue I'm concerned with is one of simple logic, so please do not state "bare assertion" or ask for evidence.

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No problem.I understand and agree.I only "enforce" the bare assertion rule when opponents engage in blatant hypocrisy.

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Hopefully you also understand that I'm not going to buy the $175 to me that you cite

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I never implied for anyone to have to buy this source. I mentioned the price to say I coudn't afford it either - that I had to borrow it myself from a person who paid that much which makes him hesitant in loaning it out.I apologize for further ambiguity.According to my sources, which I am citing by memory, which makes this response an assertion, the Pyramid's height was never affected by weather UNTIL vandalism first started the decline. Furthermore, vandalism never affected the height to begin with. Vandalism only affected the height "recently" and after the height issue was long settled. We have the height to be a long settled fact, then vandalism, THEN weather started to contribute the decline with vandalism opening the door. It hasn't been that long since the Egyptian authorities banned climbing the Pyramid because of tourist deaths.

This picture clearly shows the discontinuity down the center of each face, which would not be there were the faces a smooth curve:--Percy

Very cool, I've learned something new. Does anyone have any ideas as to why that crease is there?

There is a good discussion of the various possible reasons Here.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I didn't mean to imply that you implied - this was more in response to you stating "I cited my sources" in your messages - just letting you know that the rest of us don't necessarily have easy access to your sources. I don't mind the assertion at all, but I still have trouble with the logic here:It seems odd to me that a stone structure would stand unchanged for centuries, only to have recent vandalism allow weather erosion to start.What was it about the vandalism that allowed weather erosion to begin?And perhaps more importantly, how did the scientists surmise that no erosion had taken place before they measured the height? Unless they had a previous measurement to which compare their own, how were they so sure that centuries of wind, sand, and rain didn't shave an inch off the top, so to speak?If you add 1 inch to 5449, you get 5450 - divisible by both 5 and 25, which seems to match the majority of the measurements/patterns elsewhere in the pyramid (you listed many in one of your previous posts). This is nothing but supposition, but I think it shows how a one-inch mismeasurement, or unaccounted erosion, can totally change the patterns and symbolism you can read in the numbers.

I find it passing strange that the evidence for the height of the Great Pryamid, its supposed special location and its supposed other unique features are so equivocal.If we are finally convinced that the pyramid is Willowtree's special height and other claims, what does that prove? Anything more than that a couple of statements in the Book of Isaiah are accurate? Did god actually tell Isaiah these "facts"? Does this then prove the existence of a supernatural entity which Isaiah called Lord? Why would the proof of the claim about the Great Pyramid represent "the greatest proof of God's existence"?

I wish I had an answer for you.
People like to butter it up and say: It was her time, blah blah, God needs her, blah blah.
Everything is for God's glory. Most of the time we don't understand how.
I truely hope that you recieve the answers to your questions one day.
This may be a little late, but I am sorry for the death of your mother.Not that would make you feel any better, but I know how you feel a little bit. Although my mother is alive, she hasn't been there for me since I was 12. She's there but in her own selfish way. I ask God why also. I think I know the answer. At least I got a cool father.Peace..

Hi, WillowTree!A little more information about your concavity. You said: This webpage, The Great Pyramid Reflections in Time, gives some numbers for the concavity. If the corners of one side of the pyramid are labeled A and C, and the midpoint of the concavity is B, then ABC is a triangle. This website says that for the Great Pyramid, if A is 1.0 in length, then the length from A to B to C is 1.000046544. AC is therefore the chord of a circle, and the height of the triangle at the centerpoint of the base we can call H.H can be calculated by simple trigonometry to be .004824, and we can then plug H into this equation for determining the radius, R, of a circle (from Radius of Convex Wall):R = ((AC/2)² + H²) / 2HSolving this equation gives a radius of about 26. Plugging in actual numbers, if AC, the base length of the Great Pyrammid is actually 9072 inches, then multiplying 26 times 9072 yields 235,872 inches, or about 3.7 miles. The radius of the earth is somewhat larger.I was short of time while doing this, so I haven't done due diligence verifying the figures or the equation. But I wanted to go through this exercise because it didn't make sense to me that the radius of the earth would be visible to the eye and measurable across a distance of only 756 feet. I hope someone else repeats this exercise with more reliable numbers and a better understanding of geometry so that we can improve the numbers and develop some confidence in the results.--Percy

WillowtreeSorry I have been away for awhile but I was wondering if you could respond to my point in Post #217 concerning the determination of the sacred inch and if you could tell me your source that claims to have determined this sacred inch so that I may see for myself the way in which it was arrived at.

Percy:I am acknowledging the fact that I read your post.I do not understand, not because of you or the content, but because of my poor math skills.BTW, you mention "radius", I referenced the "circumference/curvature" to be double the size of the Pyramid's concavity.

It is obvious that you create a post which ignores all the evidence and sources, like I've said many times in this "debate", in lieu of the evidence this is all most of my opponents can and will do.

I said "slight concavity", it is very amateurish to even think you can refute by a picture.I will find supporting evidence for my assertion on the Net - be right back.

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Sorry, WILLOWTREE, try again, unless you are saying the bible is incorrect. All of those things were designed using the CUBIT as a measurement unit. The KJV uses cubits, and my NIV uses feet, but footnotes that the original unit was cubits.

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What is a cubit ?Royal Cubit = 20.63 British inches.Sacred Cubit = 25.0266 British inches. This cubit is divided into 25 equal parts called the "inch" and this inch = 1.001064 British inches.Source: Dr. Adam Rutherford "Pyramidology Book 1 chapter V"

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The ancient cubit is the length from elbow to longest fingertip (not much of a standard).

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Agreed.But this is not true.In the chamber called "Ante-Chamber" there is a "raised Boss" in the shape of a horseshoe.This Boss is exactly 5 sacred inches in length and 1 sacred inches in raised height.Thus 5 x 5 becomes the length of the sacred cubit which said length is determined by its standard unit of measure revealed in the raised height of the Boss - 1 inch.This Ante-Chamber, which is the chamber that precedes the Kings Chamber has a raised ceiling. It is in this room which scientists have determined that both the Royal Cubit and the Sacred Cubit are BOTH employed as the measuring unit and BOTH are accurate.Excerpt from "Pyramidology Book 1" by Dr. Adam Rutherford (pages 75,76)"On making a scientific examination of the Sacred Cubit in the Pyramid, it is found to bear an exact relationship to the size of the Earth. This cubit is discovered to be the exact 10,000,000th of the mean distance from the center of the Earth to the Poles, or in othe words the precise 10,000,000th part of the Earth's semi-polar diameter. The results of the latest geodetic research since the International Geophysical Year 1957-8 reveal that the mean polar radius of the Earth, as deduced from observation of the orbits of artificial Earth satellites is 3949.9 miles. Dividing this figure by 10,000,000, the result is 25.0266 British inches (corrected to four places of decimals), the precise length of the Sacred Cubit of the Great Pyramid.Thus the Earth's mean polar radius measures 10,000,000 Sacred Cubits or 250,000,000 Pyramid inches; hence the Pyramid inch is the 500,000,000th of the Earth's polar diameter.French savants conceived the idea of instituting a unit of linear measure based upon the size of the Earth, and invented the meter, which from a scientific standpoint is very faulty.The French meter was arrived by taking 10,000,000 part of the so called quadrant of the Earth as calculated from the North Pole to the Equator, along a meridian passing through Dunkirk. The Earth IS NOT a perfect sphere, the said distance is not a true quadrant, hence it is not truly scientific to determine a unit of straight measure from such a curved surface.Scientifically, a unit of straight measure should be based on the straight distance corresponding to the curved semi-meridian, namely the semi-axis or polar radius of the Earth, as has been done correctly in the case of this Sacred Cubit.Furthermore, the Earth's axis is the only LONG CONSTANT NATURAL STRAIGHT LINE on our planet, and it is also truly international, for all nations rotate round it once every day. How appropriate that the Pyramid's units of measurement should be accurately based upon it !Thus the Designer of the Pyramid long forestalled modern man in the scientific idea of having a unit of measure based on the size of the Earth. Indeed, the Pyramid's Sacred Cubit is really the French meter scientifically and mathematically corrected over 4,000 years before the French scientists even thought of the idea of having a unit of linear measure based on the dimensions of the Globe.When the meter was brought into existence, a French mathematician named M. Callet in his book "Logarithmus", published in 1795, suggested that the meter should be the 10,000,000th of the Earth's mean polar radius instead of being based on the irregularly curved surface of the Earth. Without being aware of it, M. Callet was suggesting the truly scientific Sacred Cubit in the design of the Great Pyramid." END RUTHERFORD QUOTE.Today the British inch is only 1/1000th of an inch shorter than the Sacred/Pyramid inch. Not bad for thousands of years.Back to the larger point:How did camel riding egyptians know any of this ?They didn't. They only did if you just say so.All the evidence combined proves the God of the Bible and His existence.